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2008-01-21T10:48:03  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-01-21T10:48:56  <ThomasWaldmann> i have reopened the theme task (student did not deliver), to give him and other students a chance to claim.
2008-01-21T10:50:33  <dreimark> moin
2008-01-21T10:50:42  <ThomasWaldmann> could someone please review #100?
2008-01-21T10:51:43  <dreimark> Changes in how US federal civilian IT systems are managed will require an update mechanism (if provided w/in the application) that can be run as a standard user.
2008-01-21T10:52:43  <ThomasWaldmann> sounds like a security issue in itself :D
2008-01-21T10:53:19  <dreimark> I wonder how they like to solve it too
2008-01-21T10:54:00  <dreimark> for the 100 the attachments aren't moved
2008-01-21T10:54:26  <dreimark> I do add a note about that to the tracker
2008-01-21T10:56:27  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2008-01-21T10:56:45  <dreimark> we don't want attachments at the marcet places or?
2008-01-21T10:57:48  <ThomasWaldmann> the attachments should be at the appropriaete page, of course
2008-01-21T10:59:51  <dreimark> we should have better checked the example page he provided
2008-01-21T11:01:48  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: one could look at the amount of work he has done yet
2008-01-21T11:02:24  <ThomasWaldmann> if that is enough time, we can also do that ourselves in case he would miss the chance for another claim otherwise
2008-01-21T11:06:21  * dreimark checks if for each attachment a subpage is created
2008-01-21T11:24:43  <dreimark> HTML2MoinMoin, PhoneDial, Slideshow, findandreplace, getmmap, pdf
2008-01-21T11:24:50  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: seems missing
2008-01-21T12:44:48  * cb22 chooses to work on the ParserMarket, is that fine?
2008-01-21T12:45:33  <xorAxAx>  yes
2008-01-21T12:46:21  <cb22> oh, and btw another student claimed 102 i think and hasn't been given
2008-01-21T12:47:27  <xorAxAx> well, its monday :)
2008-01-21T12:48:07  <cb22> also, should i go with a format like ParserMarket/Gallery2 for example and then there have the different versions off gallery, or should i have ParserMarket/<moin version/Gallery2
2008-01-21T12:48:11  <xorAxAx> ok, handled 102
2008-01-21T12:48:19  <xorAxAx> cb22: no, the former
2008-01-21T12:48:21  <xorAxAx> the latter is wrong
2008-01-21T12:48:28  <cb22> ok
2008-01-21T12:50:57  <cb22> also, would it be a good idea to create a 'ParserTemplate' D
2008-01-21T13:01:00  <xorAxAx> yes
2008-01-21T13:55:20  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-01-21T14:06:56  * cb22 guesses the europe server just netsplit
2008-01-21T14:08:48  <rafael> cb22: there was a global notice yesterday that today 2 server are down for a short time
2008-01-21T14:08:51  <cb22> xorAxAx: for my task, would it be a good / better idea to edit and create all pages on a new local wiki, and then get them over to the proper one using a package or so?
2008-01-21T14:08:56  <cb22> rafael: yes, i saw
2008-01-21T14:25:26  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-01-21T14:29:20  <cb22> xorAxAx: what do you think of http://moinmo.in/ParserMarketTemplate
2008-01-21T14:38:26  <cb22> xorAxAx / ThomasWaldmann / dreimark: also, i here there is a dark and secret group which doesnt have to fill in textchas, i dont suppose i could get added :)? my username is FedLor
2008-01-21T14:46:13  <dreimark> cb22: we do prefer realnames (FirstnameLastname). you can easily change it in Preferences
2008-01-21T14:46:41  <cb22> dreimark: i did, my name was originally FedericoLorenzi
2008-01-21T14:47:10  <cb22> but i changed it to FedLor when i was testing my caching task (see if the bug exists)
2008-01-21T14:47:33  <cb22> i tried changing it back, but i couldnt, i'll try again
2008-01-21T14:48:32  <dreimark> and i would prefer a license tag separated from copyright (see _template.py)
2008-01-21T14:48:41  <dreimark> url of bug
2008-01-21T14:49:19  <dreimark> pleae
2008-01-21T14:49:59  <cb22> dreimark: of the caching one?
2008-01-21T14:53:28  <cb22> dreimark: how does http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/GDL look? (a more real world one)
2008-01-21T15:14:48  <cb22> dreimark: also, would it be possible to disable notificatiopns temporarily for a certain page? else the people subscribed to ParserMarket are going to get _alot_ of emails :)
2008-01-21T15:15:35  <dreimark> cb22: the caching bug url yes
2008-01-21T15:16:08  <cb22> would you like the moin link or the google code link?
2008-01-21T15:16:37  <cb22> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/RenamingUserAllowsOldUsernameToLogin
2008-01-21T15:18:37  <dreimark> cb22: I would prefer the table on the gdl page similiar to http://moinmo.in/ActionMarket/HelpOn
2008-01-21T15:20:48  <dreimark>  Release Version
2008-01-21T15:20:48  <dreimark> 
2008-01-21T15:20:49  <dreimark> Moin Version
2008-01-21T15:21:16  <dreimark> but author information is nice for questions too
2008-01-21T15:21:51  <cb22> dreimark: so || Parser || Author || Release Version || Moin Version || Release Notes ||
2008-01-21T15:22:47  <dreimark> what do you plan to add to ParserMarket/GDL/ReleaseNotes ?
2008-01-21T15:23:45  <cb22> dreimark: for that specific example, it will probably be very little, but others have quite a bit
2008-01-21T15:24:37  <dreimark> hmm ok, I will read then the next example :)
2008-01-21T15:25:35  <cb22> hehe, but is the base fine now :) i dont want to go and do a few pages to find out its horrible!
2008-01-21T15:26:02  <dreimark> it's fine with me.
2008-01-21T15:27:16  <cb22> cool, gallery2 is next on my list, and its rather big, so the page will be a bit more 'full'
2008-01-21T15:28:06  <dreimark> fine. I think I will refactor it a bit later on
2008-01-21T15:28:16  <dreimark> the parser ;)
2008-01-21T15:46:58  <dreimark> cb22: if the page is large <<TableOfContents>> is nice (sorry, but you have only one ready without)
2008-01-21T15:47:21  <dreimark> you can click trivial at saving then some will get less mails
2008-01-21T15:48:20  <cb22> dreimark: yes, good idea
2008-01-21T15:55:35  <cb22> dreimark: does moving a oage move the atachments with it?
2008-01-21T15:55:42  <dreimark> yes
2008-01-21T15:56:40  <cb22> dreimark: btw, the current gallery2 page is a good example of 'release notes'
2008-01-21T15:56:50  <cb22> i want to keep the main page as simple as possible
2008-01-21T15:56:58  <dreimark> ok
2008-01-21T15:57:14  <cb22> (that way normal people looking for parsers dont get lost :)
2008-01-21T15:57:22  <cb22> like me
2008-01-21T16:17:49  * forrestv_ updates issue #103
2008-01-21T16:31:14  <dreimark> cb22: what is .WIP ?
2008-01-21T16:33:22  <cb22> dreimark: work in progress
2008-01-21T16:36:05  <cb22> dreimark: its a wiki right? so if i mess anything up i can just revert? :)
2008-01-21T17:08:28  <dreimark> cb22: i was guessing right.
2008-01-21T17:11:44  <cb22> ok, gallery2 is nearly finished :)
2008-01-21T17:11:47  <cb22> it was quite big
2008-01-21T17:12:28  <cb22> dreimark: tell me what you think so far: http://www.moinmo.in/ParserMarket/Gallery2
2008-01-21T17:14:10  <dreimark> soon
2008-01-21T17:14:29  <cb22> thanks
2008-01-21T17:17:15  <cb22> 2 down, 68 more to go :)
2008-01-21T17:30:04  <dreimark> cb22: http://moinmo.in/ParserMarket/Gallery2/Examples?action=AttachFile&rename=webnail_gallery2image_p1.jpg
2008-01-21T17:30:08  <dreimark> seems missing
2008-01-21T17:30:28  <cb22> yes, i'm still busy moving the attachments across
2008-01-21T17:30:40  <dreimark> if time is left all the parser calls could be fixed too
2008-01-21T17:31:06  <cb22> well, i asume i have until the 4th of feb? thats 14 days or so
2008-01-21T17:32:18  <dreimark> yes
2008-01-21T17:41:57  <forrestv_> dreimark: i fixed argument parsing on issue 103
2008-01-21T18:44:14  <xorAxAx> dreimark: a license tag separated from copyright is a bit confusing because every contributor can decide which license he uses for his changes
2008-01-21T18:47:31  <dreimark> yeah you are right, but it should be clear too on what license the main work is based on
2008-01-21T18:48:07  <dreimark> because other licenses needs to match.
2008-01-21T18:48:55  <dreimark> xorAxAx: can you review 103 i do currently debug user
2008-01-21T18:49:04  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i have lost my notebook today
2008-01-21T18:49:09  <xorAxAx> so no reviews for me
2008-01-21T18:49:21  <dreimark> oh arg, how does it hapen ?
2008-01-21T18:49:26  <xorAxAx> no idea
2008-01-21T18:49:33  <xorAxAx> i hope that i will get it back tomorrow :)
2008-01-21T18:49:52  <xorAxAx> (because the theory is that i just left it behind somewhere)
2008-01-21T18:50:16  <xorAxAx> lets say the probability is 33% that it was stolen
2008-01-21T18:50:37  <dreimark> i cross my finger
2008-01-21T18:50:39  <dreimark>   I'll keep my fingers crossed.
2008-01-21T18:50:45  <cb22> xorAxAx: :(
2008-01-21T18:52:51  <dreimark> hope you get it back
2008-01-21T18:53:16  <xorAxAx> the day started with a broken bicycle tube and then i realised that i lost the notebook
2008-01-21T18:55:11  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, shit happens. hope you get it back!
2008-01-21T18:56:19  <blinx> xorAxAx: dm-crypt in usage?
2008-01-21T18:56:31  <xorAxAx> blinx: no
2008-01-21T18:56:43  <xorAxAx> blinx: and less than maybe 300 credentials on it
2008-01-21T18:56:43  <blinx> I can recommend that :)
2008-01-21T18:56:51  <cb22> big ouch
2008-01-21T18:56:55  <cb22> windows?
2008-01-21T18:56:56  <xorAxAx> of course encrypted password storage has been on my todo list :)
2008-01-21T18:57:03  <xorAxAx> cb22: 2 windows installations and 1 linux
2008-01-21T18:57:53  <xorAxAx> maybe i am too much of a philantrope not to encrypt them
2008-01-21T18:58:00  <xorAxAx> but i should consider it i think
2008-01-21T19:00:13  <blinx> xorAxAx: I use dm-crypt for my desktop system :)
2008-01-21T19:01:37  <xorAxAx> yeah, dont trust the black men ringing the door bell
2008-01-21T19:01:57  <CIA-35> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2515:0dcabd4227f9 1.6/MoinMoin/ (_tests/test_user.py user.py): user: bugfix for renaming of users (/MoinMoinBugs/RenamingUserAllowsOldUsernameToLogin)
2008-01-21T19:02:03  <cb22> and if you run freebsd - geli or gdbe
2008-01-21T19:02:23  * cb22 wants to play around with truecrypt
2008-01-21T19:04:10  <blinx> cb22: luks/dm-crypt has a better performance
2008-01-21T19:05:54  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: as long as you only use ascii chars, iso-8859-1 and utf-8 encoding will result in the same bytes
2008-01-21T19:06:00  <cb22> compared to truecrypt?
2008-01-21T19:06:34  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: but I don't think that the renaming test should also test encoding issues
2008-01-21T19:09:07  <ThomasWaldmann> blinx: do you have all encrypted (including root fs), or just home or part of home?
2008-01-21T19:10:00  <cb22> dont forget your swap space too
2008-01-21T19:10:25  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(what swapspace?)
2008-01-21T19:10:34  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: swap, home, multimedia
2008-01-21T19:10:55  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: rootfs is not necessary because it is a usual installation of debian sid
2008-01-21T19:11:59  <CIA-35> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2516:7c4686016bd0 1.6/MoinMoin/_tests/test_user.py: test_user: removed the coding for the password
2008-01-21T19:11:59  <blinx> a look at the ubuntuusers.de wiki will help you
2008-01-21T19:12:20  <ThomasWaldmann> blinx: apt-get install bundestrojaner :P
2008-01-21T19:12:35  <blinx> :)
2008-01-21T19:13:18  <blinx> I have not really less performance as without the dm-crypt thing :)
2008-01-21T19:13:32  <cb22> blinx: heh i always freak the security ppl at airports out with my laptop
2008-01-21T19:13:39  <cb22> in america, it was really bad
2008-01-21T19:13:57  <cb22> (cause i only had freebsd on, and hadnt gotten around to install x yet)
2008-01-21T19:14:07  <xorAxAx> cb22: its a bomb remote control
2008-01-21T19:14:07  <blinx> :)
2008-01-21T19:14:15  <cb22> so this dumbass security guy asks me to turn it on =)
2008-01-21T19:14:19  <blinx> the battery is high explosive
2008-01-21T19:14:26  <cb22> blinx: heh indeed
2008-01-21T19:14:37  <cb22> echo "detonate" > /dev/bomb
2008-01-21T19:15:14  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22:  you could have some splashscreen counting from 10 backwards in big digits :D
2008-01-21T19:15:25  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: red digits
2008-01-21T19:15:29  <cb22> haha
2008-01-21T19:15:47  <dreimark> for the n770 there is such a counter which some arabic signs
2008-01-21T19:15:50  <blinx> and then you take control over all the info panels in the airport
2008-01-21T19:16:04  <dreimark> like the one with the city trains ;)
2008-01-21T19:16:08  <cb22> hehe
2008-01-21T19:16:13  <blinx> the splashscreen would be on each screen in the airport
2008-01-21T19:16:18  <cb22> for my end of school matric prank
2008-01-21T19:16:38  <cb22> i'm soo putting lemonparty on all the computer screens :p including the one in the front passage
2008-01-21T19:16:39  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem might be that the guys there won't find it funny
2008-01-21T19:16:49  <cb22> (btw, if you dont know what it is, dont google it)
2008-01-21T19:17:33  <cb22> bloody americans, no sense of humor!
2008-01-21T19:25:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can you review 103, I have some band excercises in a quarter
2008-01-21T19:36:14  <GRon> Hi at all, have a small problem with MoinMoin behind a reverse proxy, need to rewrite links, but moin does drop all newlines and the rewriting tool does only work on line base, how can i preserve/introduce \n in the generated html output
2008-01-21T19:37:20  <dreimark> bbl ~3h
2008-01-21T19:38:19  <GRon> already tried to modifiy formatter/text_html.py with out success, any ideas where a can add a tiny \n after <img/> tags?
2008-01-21T19:46:12  <ThomasWaldmann> GRon: lets take this to #moin until we decide it is a dev topic
2008-01-21T19:47:49  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ok
2008-01-21T19:48:45  <GRon> ok, thanks will try it there, but may be anybody nows the filename where the \n are filtered out :)
2008-01-21T19:59:48  <xorAxAx> got the notebook back
2008-01-21T20:00:05  <grzywacz> hi
2008-01-21T20:00:06  <xorAxAx> was still on the table where i left it
2008-01-21T20:00:10  <grzywacz> hej xorAxAx
2008-01-21T20:00:23  <xorAxAx> hej grzywacz, hur är det?
2008-01-21T20:00:26  <xorAxAx> :-)
2008-01-21T20:01:34  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I don't know Swedish ;)
2008-01-21T20:02:08  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: well, but you have to because of the common greeting
2008-01-21T20:02:29  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, it's the first time someone greets me like that :)
2008-01-21T20:54:02  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: lucky you :)
2008-01-21T20:54:23  <xorAxAx> hehe
2008-01-21T20:55:01  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: do you think #100 could be closed?
2008-01-21T20:55:32  <bolekk> Moin
2008-01-21T20:56:32  <ThomasWaldmann> hi bolekk
2008-01-21T20:57:02  <grzywacz> hi bolekk
2008-01-21T20:58:26  <xorAxAx> well, if there are still some of his version number pages, he should delete them
2008-01-21T20:58:34  <xorAxAx> or didnt he create them?
2008-01-21T21:00:51  <ThomasWaldmann> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/01/21/1540229.shtml < haha
2008-01-21T21:01:13  <ThomasWaldmann> and the first word of the baby will be fsck!
2008-01-21T21:01:50  <ThomasWaldmann> he did
2008-01-21T21:02:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (see also my tracker comment)
2008-01-21T21:44:18  <vpv> ThomasWaldmann: hah, you know there's been at least one Finnish girl who's been named "Java Ninja"
2008-01-21T21:48:19  <xorAxAx> http://home.hard.ware.fi/~jks/javaninja.png
2008-01-21T21:54:01  <bolekk_> who is the author of the moin FCKeditor plugins ?
2008-01-21T21:55:26  <bolekk_> or maybe, are these plugins accessible from somewhere else than moin ?
2008-01-21T21:55:29  <xorAxAx> bolekk_: ThomasWaldmann, ffesti and waldi
2008-01-21T21:55:43  <xorAxAx> bolekk_: no, thats the only distribution
2008-01-21T21:55:46  <xorAxAx> and development place
2008-01-21T21:58:22  <bolekk_> hmm plugins were written from scratch or based on some fckeditor code
2008-01-21T21:58:23  <bolekk_> ?
2008-01-21T21:59:26  <xorAxAx> bolekk_: good question, we have to wait for the authors to answer
2008-01-21T22:02:14  <bolekk_> xorAxAx: do you have firebug installed in your firefox ? it isn't working on mine "
2008-01-21T22:02:41  <xorAxAx> yes, i have
2008-01-21T22:06:07  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: hehe
2008-01-21T22:07:08  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk_: mostly they were done by FlorianFesti
2008-01-21T22:07:41  <bolekk_> ThomasWaldmann: is there any documentation for them ?
2008-01-21T22:08:12  <ThomasWaldmann> search the wiki and the src, i don't think there is more
2008-01-21T22:08:27  <bolekk_> ThomasWaldmann: or maybe you can tell me what is the purpose of the "selection" plugin ?
2008-01-21T22:18:36  <dreimark> bb
2008-01-21T22:20:24  <dreimark> xorAxAx: :)
2008-01-21T22:21:32  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk_: no, sorry
2008-01-21T22:22:21  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you can just try without it and look if something is missing. you could also drop a mail to florian.
2008-01-21T22:27:23  <bolekk_> I started with trying to include only one macro at a time but many required this "selection", so i started with it, it generated errors but I think the problem was only in the browser detection part
2008-01-21T22:28:11  <dreimark> does one know a latex2wiki parser similiar to http://www.wikiwaves.org/index.php/Converting_Latex_to_Wiki
2008-01-21T22:28:26  <dreimark> or more a converter
2008-01-21T22:28:59  <bolekk_> now I'm trying to understand moinattachment.. I just wanted to know what's "selection" doing
2008-01-21T22:49:41  <ThomasWaldmann> well, i think it is to deal with what is currently selected (e.g. a link to an attachment)
2008-01-21T23:16:09  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i think we could need 1 or 2 more cleanup Market Pages tasks
2008-01-21T23:16:21  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: for which market pages?
2008-01-21T23:16:28  <xorAxAx> i checked which market pages need a cleanup
2008-01-21T23:16:33  <xorAxAx> and didnt find any other ones
2008-01-21T23:16:39  <ThomasWaldmann> to continue the current work
2008-01-21T23:16:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (and review it)
2008-01-21T23:18:09  <xorAxAx> hmm, what needs to be continued?
2008-01-21T23:18:25  <ThomasWaldmann> the cleanup :)
2008-01-21T23:18:50  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. moving code from pages to attachments
2008-01-21T23:19:05  <xorAxAx> feel free to create a few tasks
2008-01-21T23:19:12  <ThomasWaldmann> looking whether some stuff got lost on the road...
2008-01-21T23:19:17  <xorAxAx> (and maybe a few presentation tasks while you are at it :))
2008-01-21T23:19:22  <xorAxAx> 8.5 hours left
2008-01-21T23:20:01  <xorAxAx> or 9.5?
2008-01-21T23:20:07  <bolekk_> 9.5 i think
2008-01-21T23:20:12  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-21T23:35:41  * ThomasWaldmann closed #100 and made a task for reviewing and continuing work on the market pages.
2008-01-21T23:35:59  <bolekk_> indentation in .js files is strange .. are there any coding guidelines for moin js ?
2008-01-21T23:37:05  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk_: not really. We prefer it looking somehow clean, though.
2008-01-21T23:39:13  <bolekk_> I'll try to stick to current standards :)
2008-01-21T23:40:10  <bolekk_> btw have you seen that one student has already completed 23 tasks ?
2008-01-21T23:40:44  <ThomasWaldmann> no. great :)