MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-15

2008-01-15T00:00:15  <cb22> hehe, allowing .. and / would suck now =)
2008-01-15T00:00:40  <ThomasWaldmann> i mean fix your typos
2008-01-15T00:01:20  <ThomasWaldmann> and you dont have attachall anymore
2008-01-15T00:01:47  <ThomasWaldmann> +            except OSError, err:
2008-01-15T00:01:47  <ThomasWaldmann> +                if err.errno != errno.EEXIST:
2008-01-15T00:01:48  <ThomasWaldmann> +                    script.fatal("Cannot create output directory '%s'!" % outputdir)
2008-01-15T00:01:59  <ThomasWaldmann> add also str(err) to the message
2008-01-15T00:03:09  * cb22 is not looking forward to school again, i'm a native english speaker, get 75% for the subject, and have forgotten how to spell :(
2008-01-15T00:04:04  <ThomasWaldmann> the main problem might be you type too fast and never read your own stuff (or not exactly enough)
2008-01-15T00:06:20  <cb22> yes, thats probably true. i also tend to read very qickly and skip over things :/ on IRC however, i blame my typos on the lag
2008-01-15T00:14:14  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: is issue 56 about mac plugins done just never submitted?
2008-01-15T00:14:23  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: must i add docstrings to the ActionBase functions that i override, like is_allowed, check_condition, etc?
2008-01-15T00:15:14  <YoniWiz> or does it need other things (i.e. are the plugins only about video and this is not okay?.. I know it was not the idea but much of the other plugins cannot be viewed by plugins because they are downloaded and viewed by an external, non-browser, program)
2008-01-15T00:15:27  <bolekk> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/LinksStayActiveAfterLoggingOut
2008-01-15T00:15:31  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: no
2008-01-15T00:20:15  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: see there
2008-01-15T00:22:26  * cb22 updates #98 yet again :)
2008-01-15T00:23:37  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: firefox3b2 and acroread plugin seems very much faster, so I guess the problem will fix itselfs
2008-01-15T00:23:47  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, it works, but why the links are incorrect before clicking ?
2008-01-15T00:25:57  <ThomasWaldmann> because the information will update one request later
2008-01-15T00:26:51  <grzywacz> night
2008-01-15T00:26:59  <dreimark> gn grzywacz
2008-01-15T00:27:04  <bolekk> gn grzywacz
2008-01-15T00:31:47  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: so we shouldn't care about this "bug" ?
2008-01-15T00:32:02  <dreimark> it is not a real bug
2008-01-15T00:32:31  <dreimark> it behaves that way that you have to "clear the message"
2008-01-15T00:33:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the problem with the adobe plugin is that it doesn't understand an empty width
2008-01-15T00:34:04  <dreimark> it is much better using no width and height instead
2008-01-15T00:34:32  <dreimark> if noone has entered one.
2008-01-15T00:35:56  <bolekk> dreimark: so you do not think it is worth changing ?
2008-01-15T00:39:29  <dreimark> currently with clicking "Clear message" you did a new request
2008-01-15T00:40:01  <dreimark> if it is changed the request was already done and the click does only close the message
2008-01-15T00:41:20  <dreimark> I am not sure if it is changed a real advantage
2008-01-15T00:41:39  <dreimark> we should first reread FR about related issues
2008-01-15T00:42:44  <ThomasWaldmann> there is lots of more important stuff to fix
2008-01-15T00:42:57  <dreimark> yeah
2008-01-15T00:43:25  <dreimark> regex and xapian is much more important
2008-01-15T00:44:25  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I think I remove the "empty" width, height because then the pdf file is embedded similiar to other file formats below our download link
2008-01-15T00:44:40  <bolekk> okay, good night then :)
2008-01-15T00:44:46  <dreimark> but i try tommor with different browsers and plugins first
2008-01-15T00:45:05  <dreimark> good nicgt bolekk
2008-01-15T00:49:23  <dreimark> good night
2008-01-15T01:05:24  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2008-01-15T01:58:29  <cb22> gn all
2008-01-15T01:59:13  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: can you hopefully do a (final) review when you get the chance? and thanks for all the hints / suggestions :)
2008-01-15T08:41:54  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-01-15T09:29:25  <dreimark> moin
2008-01-15T09:38:00  <cb22> moin
2008-01-15T10:27:44  <cb22> rafael: nice hostname :)
2008-01-15T10:51:36  <dreimark> cb22: that's a cloak if you want one too do ask xorAxAx
2008-01-15T11:03:43  <xorAxAx> yep
2008-01-15T11:15:13  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: can I have one? :)
2008-01-15T11:16:50  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: which middle part do you prefer? core, fan or developer? :)
2008-01-15T11:18:00  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: developer sounds macho :)
2008-01-15T11:55:33  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: struggling for the cloak to get set
2008-01-15T12:22:45  <cb22> xorAxAx: can i also have one :)
2008-01-15T12:58:02  <xorAxAx> ok :)
2008-01-15T12:58:19  <xorAxAx> will need a few hours
2008-01-15T13:16:59  * waldi .o0( cloak: slave ... )
2008-01-15T13:18:18  <xorAxAx> waldi: the ministery of information is forbidding you to think like that :)
2008-01-15T13:18:37  <waldi> its the ministry of misinformation ...
2008-01-15T13:18:48  <cb22> s/mis/dis/?
2008-01-15T13:19:22  <cb22> xorAxAx: a few hours? i hope it works nonblocking, unlike the sockets that im playing around with =)
2008-01-15T13:19:34  <waldi> cb22: correct
2008-01-15T13:19:55  <xorAxAx> cb22: it doesnt block me but freenode is a pretty chaotic bunch of volountary fundraising people :)
2008-01-15T13:20:17  <xorAxAx> waldi: i meant the ministry of truth
2008-01-15T13:20:22  <xorAxAx> aka. minitrue
2008-01-15T13:20:59  <cb22> xorAxAx: btw, you live in germany right? i hope you dont have nmap on your computer...
2008-01-15T13:21:19  <xorAxAx> cb22: i do, yes. i am using nmap daily :)
2008-01-15T13:21:41  <xorAxAx> no, seriously, i think having it installed is fine
2008-01-15T13:22:18  <cb22> hehe
2008-01-15T13:22:34  <cb22> xorAxAx: i hope you dont have a pair of gloves too, you know criminals use them to stop leaving fingerprints...
2008-01-15T13:22:58  <xorAxAx> thats more critical, indeed
2008-01-15T13:23:18  <xorAxAx> compared to the amount of fingerprints one drops daily
2008-01-15T13:24:21  <cb22> its pretty scary if you think about all the places you leave a trace of yourself, especially if you had to live in bigbrother^Wengland
2008-01-15T13:25:50  <xorAxAx> yeah
2008-01-15T14:53:03  <CIA-35> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3022:e757ebc436e7 1.7/MoinMoin/macro/EmbedObject.py: EmbedObject: refactored to use not empty params, for pdf default width="800" and height="800" added (backport to 1.6)
2008-01-15T14:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: does that mean it resizes your browser window when the plugin starts?
2008-01-15T15:01:35  <dreimark> no, it is then embedded below the download link without that it is embedded in the whole browser
2008-01-15T15:02:14  <dreimark> and you have to click twice time the browsers back button to return to the wiki page
2008-01-15T15:07:07  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2008-01-15T15:07:10  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: but 800x800 is rather small (== unusable)
2008-01-15T15:07:59  <dreimark> I tried with some files  and I can read them well
2008-01-15T15:08:07  <cb22> what about using javascript to automagically determin size?
2008-01-15T15:08:16  <ThomasWaldmann> can it be resized via the UI?
2008-01-15T15:08:33  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: we usually want to work even without JS
2008-01-15T15:09:07  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: true, so you keep widht=800 and height=800, but you add in javascript to make it resize nicely if it is avalable
2008-01-15T15:09:18  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: and what do you mean by "empty params"?
2008-01-15T15:09:27  <cb22> (imho if you are viewing a pdf, chances are you have JS enabled?)
2008-01-15T15:11:30  <dreimark> width=''
2008-01-15T15:12:01  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you try without width?
2008-01-15T15:13:21  <dreimark> I did and it uses all available browser space
2008-01-15T15:14:22  <dreimark> cb22: how did you get the size of a pdf file using javascript?
2008-01-15T15:16:37  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: btw, testing for empty (non-empty) string is just if not s: (if s:)
2008-01-15T15:18:24  <cb22> dreimark: you cant, but you can get the size of the browser area
2008-01-15T15:18:27  <dreimark> yeah looks nicer, I will refactor it to the new arg parser later on
2008-01-15T15:19:55  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: you want some JS ghop task? :)
2008-01-15T15:22:28  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: sure :)
2008-01-15T15:26:40  <kikka> moin
2008-01-15T15:28:16  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: upgrading fckeditor? :)
2008-01-15T15:30:15  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: it looks like http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=firefox_pdf.png
2008-01-15T15:33:41  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, hmm, i'll probably claim it as my last task
2008-01-15T15:55:19  <cb22> btw ThomasWaldmann is my current task complete?
2008-01-15T16:02:28  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you check if it maybe supports width="100%"?
2008-01-15T16:02:52  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: i am still at work, so I can't test your code right now
2008-01-15T16:03:20  <ThomasWaldmann> (but it has no obvious problems when just looking at the src)
2008-01-15T16:03:43  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: how is your js experience?
2008-01-15T16:06:05  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: with 100% it uses all the browsers space
2008-01-15T16:07:33  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: ok, thanks. my js experience? i've used it (quite) a bit, designed a ajax theme for drupal and various other ajax'ified things
2008-01-15T16:08:31  <cb22> btw, it passes all the tests ;) i actually solved a problem that i introduced with attachments when i ran the tests myself and they failed.
2008-01-15T16:10:30  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: and with 99%?
2008-01-15T16:12:57  <dreimark> seems it doesn't like % I tried some more 90%, 1%
2008-01-15T16:14:32  <ThomasWaldmann> you may have to use %%
2008-01-15T16:17:36  <dreimark> I know but it doesn't like it
2008-01-15T16:21:04  <cb22> the fckeditor is 2 years old!
2008-01-15T16:21:42  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, because of update problems searching someone to fix em :)
2008-01-15T16:22:18  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(Fame!!!1!)
2008-01-15T16:22:44  <rafael> moin
2008-01-15T16:23:00  * rafael is interested to claim #97 (german update task)
2008-01-15T16:23:22  <cb23> hehe, if i do this task, i think i'm gonna need a real IDE, not some cheap editor that cannot perform searches :) /me installs eclipse
2008-01-15T16:23:28  <rafael> but i don't really understand which pages i have to proofread, update etc..
2008-01-15T16:23:42  <rafael> cb23: vim :p
2008-01-15T16:24:19  <cb23> rafael, hehe, i like to be able to go past the last character in a line WITHOUT using special keys ;)
2008-01-15T16:25:11  <rafael> ah, you like clicking around :>
2008-01-15T16:33:17  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you deleted some EmbedObject forward port changesets? Where did they go?
2008-01-15T16:38:48  * cb22 wonders if his moinfan cloak is in effect yet :)
2008-01-15T16:40:18  <xorAxAx> cb22: no, its not
2008-01-15T16:40:24  <xorAxAx> i didnt yet reach somebody
2008-01-15T16:40:37  <cb23> ah, ok :)
2008-01-15T16:41:10  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I copied the EmbedObject of 1.6 to 1.7 mofied it afterwards. In the past it was copied from 1.7 to 1.6
2008-01-15T16:41:13  <rafael> cb23: took some days to wait for my cloak, too...
2008-01-15T16:42:22  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: including the , formatted=False (current 1.7 has not this patches)
2008-01-15T16:42:56  <dreimark> s/mofied/modified/
2008-01-15T16:43:00  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, btw, just hacked fckeditor 2.5.1 (latest) into moin, it looks quite doable :)
2008-01-15T16:44:31  <rafael> moin team: so what's with the German update task now?
2008-01-15T16:47:20  <dreimark> bbl ~2h
2008-01-15T17:25:42  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if you did the copy and the modification in the same changeset, the only way to port that back to 1.6 will be also to copy it.
2008-01-15T17:27:11  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: SystemPagesInGermanGroup has a list
2008-01-15T17:27:46  <ThomasWaldmann> and there is also MoinMoin:GermanUpdateTask where the previous update/check task ended
2008-01-15T17:27:53  <ThomasWaldmann> you can continue from there
2008-01-15T17:28:49  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: SystemPagesInEnglishGroup has a list of the en master pages
2008-01-15T17:29:34  <rafael> which are already checked? the red on MoinMoin:GermanUpdateTask?
2008-01-15T17:30:27  <kikka> rafael, do you claim the proofread task?
2008-01-15T17:31:56  <rafael> kikka: don't know yet. would you like to? you can, then i take another
2008-01-15T17:33:35  <kikka> Well, I don't care ;)
2008-01-15T17:35:35  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: well, read that page :)
2008-01-15T17:36:20  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you have questions about state not answered on that page, ask the editor
2008-01-15T17:45:00  <ThomasWaldmann> cb23: try the moin plugins
2008-01-15T17:46:35  <cb23> ThomasWaldmann, yes i know, but after looking at the code for them, they seem quite readable, and easy to port over to the latest version of FCK
2008-01-15T17:47:09  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: i find issue #104 nicer. i claimed it :)
2008-01-15T17:50:03  <ThomasWaldmann> cb23: ok, shall i file a task for that or was it too easy? :D
2008-01-15T17:50:48  <cb23> hehe, file a task :) its not going to be _too_easy_ but when i saw 18 days and 18 hours, i scared myself :)
2008-01-15T17:55:43  <ThomasWaldmann> cb23: #106
2008-01-15T17:56:10  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: where are there no _ATTRS in MoinMoin.widget.html.BUTTON?
2008-01-15T17:58:42  <ThomasWaldmann>       233     _ATTRS = {
2008-01-15T17:58:42  <ThomasWaldmann>       234         'class': None,
2008-01-15T17:58:42  <ThomasWaldmann>       235     }
2008-01-15T17:58:56  <rafael> yes, only this
2008-01-15T17:59:03  <rafael> but what's with things like value etc. ?
2008-01-15T17:59:15  <ThomasWaldmann> well, if you need more, I think you just have to add them
2008-01-15T18:00:07  <rafael> yes, because with this i can't make much.
2008-01-15T18:00:14  <rafael> so i'll add the needed
2008-01-15T18:41:04  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2008-01-15T18:42:07  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I thought that would be the simplest way
2008-01-15T18:42:42  <dreimark> may be you are right doing it in two steps would have been better
2008-01-15T18:44:23  <rafael> or maybe another: how should i "link" the button? with <button onclick="window.open('example.org');" ...> with action="" in the form or style a normal link as button
2008-01-15T18:44:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I pay attention to further similiar changes
2008-01-15T18:45:03  <rafael> i think the third is not so good because it looks on every system different
2008-01-15T18:51:21  <rafael> fourth solution: <button type="button"><a href="example.org">Action!</a></button> or something like this
2008-01-15T18:52:35  <rafael> bbl
2008-01-15T19:13:12  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I think that the images from attachments are no longer cached in the browser for moin 1.6
2008-01-15T19:13:25  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: so every time you refresh, they will be reloaded
2008-01-15T19:14:22  <TheSheep> not sure why
2008-01-15T19:14:29  <TheSheep> they have: Vary: Cookie,User-Agent,Accept-Language
2008-01-15T19:16:50  <TheSheep> ah, no, sorry, it seems to be fixed now
2008-01-15T19:17:23  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: thanks for the cloak
2008-01-15T19:17:24  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2008-01-15T19:17:46  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: did you fix something about it in the last month?
2008-01-15T19:17:59  <ThomasWaldmann> no, but previously
2008-01-15T19:31:06  <xorAxAx> ok, cloak is set, cb22
2008-01-15T19:49:56  <dreimark> plans for  moin/1.7-accessibility? merging?
2008-01-15T20:17:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: rather working on it :) i just began porting stuff from moin/1.6-acc there in the hope that someone else helps...
2008-01-15T20:17:32  <ThomasWaldmann> but doing the forward ports has much higher prio (and fixes)
2008-01-15T20:25:42  <dreimark> right
2008-01-15T20:27:38  * dreimark comments 98
2008-01-15T20:35:29  <cb23> xorAxAx, :) thanks!
2008-01-15T20:51:23  <cb22> dreimark: is the way CopyPages does it a good example?
2008-01-15T20:51:48  <dreimark> no, not really because it copies pages the user has no read access
2008-01-15T20:52:09  <dreimark> this part needs be changed a bit
2008-01-15T20:52:30  <cb22> dreimark: [pagename for pagename in subpagenames if self.request.user.may.read(pagename)?
2008-01-15T20:52:46  <dreimark> sounds good
2008-01-15T20:54:03  <cb22> what should i make the default behaviour, on or ofF?
2008-01-15T20:54:16  <cb22> (for the script)
2008-01-15T20:55:18  <dreimark> off
2008-01-15T20:55:22  <xorAxAx> ?
2008-01-15T20:55:28  <xorAxAx> of which option?
2008-01-15T20:55:43  <cb22> xorAxAx: include subpages of a page in the dump
2008-01-15T20:56:08  <xorAxAx> ah
2008-01-15T20:56:23  <dreimark> xorAxAx: see my comment on his task
2008-01-15T21:01:25  <cb23> yay, got it :)
2008-01-15T21:01:33  <dreimark> the bug too?
2008-01-15T21:01:52  <cb23> going to have a look at that now, what was the page you were trying with?
2008-01-15T21:02:22  <cb23> btw, if i simply drop the user='' to getpagelist, won't it only return pages the current user can read?
2008-01-15T21:06:03  <dreimark> The default behavior is listing all the pages readable by the current user. If you want to get a page list for another user, specify the user name.
2008-01-15T21:06:17  <dreimark> from "Page.getPageList"
2008-01-15T21:08:44  <dreimark> cb23: I tried HilfeInhalt
2008-01-15T21:09:35  * cb23 tries
2008-01-15T21:09:56  <cb23> level 10 you said?
2008-01-15T21:09:58  <dreimark> may be you have to install german pages
2008-01-15T21:10:20  <cb23> hmm, i think i know whats happening
2008-01-15T21:10:35  <cb23> i had the error before, but i thought it was some weird freebsd limitation
2008-01-15T21:10:53  <cb23> the page that is too long is probably a non-latin page
2008-01-15T21:11:02  <cb23> which is causing fun with the quoting
2008-01-15T21:12:12  <cb23> ok, replicated the error
2008-01-15T21:12:44  <dreimark> at least it should not stop without any output
2008-01-15T21:15:47  <cb23> dreimark, btw, while im adding options, should i make a 'no-system/underlay' one?
2008-01-15T21:16:06  <cb23> that could be rather useful, to just get the 'important' pages
2008-01-15T21:17:57  <dreimark> yeah, thats a good idea
2008-01-15T21:19:43  <cb23> dreimark, hmm, i guessed right, looks like wikiname.quoteWikinameFS is not good on non latin pages
2008-01-15T21:20:22  <cb22> it turns % into (25) and the nonlatin pages have lots of % in them
2008-01-15T21:20:51  <cb22> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/21525/
2008-01-15T21:23:16  <xorAxAx> you are doing something wrong :-)
2008-01-15T21:23:52  <cb22> xorAxAx: e17 me please :)
2008-01-15T21:23:55  <xorAxAx> obviously the filename differs from the one you would actually see on disk
2008-01-15T21:24:14  <xorAxAx> i think the quoting function used by moin groups the bytes into parenthesis
2008-01-15T21:24:25  <cb22> yes, indeed
2008-01-15T21:24:52  <xorAxAx> so either you call it incorrectly or the incorrect function :)
2008-01-15T21:25:20  * cb22 checks what Page.py uses
2008-01-15T21:35:58  <cb23> xorAxAx, hmm, looking through Page.py, i see def reset(self): using the same way i did
2008-01-15T21:36:29  <xorAxAx> cb23: what is the argument type page's and your code? unicode or str?
2008-01-15T21:37:29  <cb23> hmm, mine is a str
2008-01-15T21:40:12  <cb22> althoug unicode'ing it makes no difference
2008-01-15T21:45:50  <cb23> anyways, i'll sleep on it :) school starts tomorrow :/ good night all
2008-01-15T21:46:11  <xorAxAx> oh, have fun
2008-01-15T22:01:37  <dreimark> gn cb23
2008-01-15T22:02:36  <dreimark> good night