MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-03

2008-01-03T00:00:14  <cb22> gn grzywacz
2008-01-03T00:08:14  <cb22> night all
2008-01-03T00:43:54  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-01-03T00:56:05  * cb22 thinks he is in a channel of insomniacs
2008-01-03T00:57:18  <TheSheep> cb22: it's bad, people shouldn't think they are channels
2008-01-03T00:57:27  <TheSheep> in
2008-01-03T00:57:32  <TheSheep> unless they are in one
2008-01-03T00:57:55  <cb22> TheSheep: your highly intellegent witty humor gets lost on me at 2am ;)
2008-01-03T00:58:17  <TheSheep> cb22: I just overwitted myself
2008-01-03T00:58:29  <TheSheep> cb22: I skipped the 'in'
2008-01-03T00:58:49  <TheSheep> cb22: and tried to make it sound acceptable anyways
2008-01-03T00:58:50  <cb22> TheSheep: i'm so tired right now if i had to fire up python i would start using braces
2008-01-03T00:58:59  <TheSheep> # {
2008-01-03T00:59:02  <TheSheep> # }
2008-01-03T00:59:08  <TheSheep> I always do that
2008-01-03T00:59:16  <TheSheep> to annoy my php-writing collegues
2008-01-03T00:59:22  <TheSheep> of course they don't match :D
2008-01-03T00:59:29  <cb22> hehe
2008-01-03T00:59:40  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-01-03T01:00:19  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: like writing the the word "red" in green color :)
2008-01-03T01:01:03  <TheSheep> or "raise AllOk"
2008-01-03T01:03:19  <cb22> woah, my lcd is changing colours O-o
2008-01-03T01:03:48  <cb22> thatsthats not a good sign
2008-01-03T01:04:45  <TheSheep> cb22: if it was a crt, you could just move the speakers farther away...
2008-01-03T01:04:45  * ThomasWaldmann has another look at #92
2008-01-03T01:05:07  <TheSheep> further even
2008-01-03T01:05:29  <cb22> hmm, it was acompiz plugin
2008-01-03T01:05:40  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: if you were in germany, it could be the bundestrojaner :D
2008-01-03T01:06:01  <cb22> last night i was complaining about my screen getting blurry - guess what? it was a compiz plugin
2008-01-03T01:06:12  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it needs wine to ruin on linux ;)
2008-01-03T01:06:26  <TheSheep> s/ruin/run
2008-01-03T01:06:35  <ThomasWaldmann> ruin is also true
2008-01-03T01:06:40  <TheSheep> thank you mr Freud
2008-01-03T01:06:50  <cb22> yes, but then you would have to drop the 'on'
2008-01-03T01:07:46  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: +    To obtain additonal help on a command use 'moin --help module subcommand'
2008-01-03T01:08:08  <ThomasWaldmann> wouldn't moin module subcommand --help make more sense?
2008-01-03T01:09:09  <ThomasWaldmann> (and also be easier to edit for issuing the real command after you know how)
2008-01-03T01:09:43  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: yes, good point
2008-01-03T01:10:28  <ThomasWaldmann> +            print "Command line reference:\n======================="
2008-01-03T01:10:58  <ThomasWaldmann> that is either 2 prints or the whole stuff there being merged into a multiline string
2008-01-03T01:11:52  <ThomasWaldmann> Common subdirectories: moin-1.6.orig/MoinMoin/script/account and moin-1.6/MoinMoin/script/account < what does that mean? never seen this from diff.
2008-01-03T01:11:56  <TheSheep> print "="*10
2008-01-03T01:12:21  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: oh, thats just extra diff stuff, you get it when diff'ing dirs
2008-01-03T01:12:27  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: not in this case
2008-01-03T01:12:48  <cb22> ean?
2008-01-03T01:12:58  <cb22> btw, what do you mean?
2008-01-03T01:13:16  <ThomasWaldmann> (that's fine if you want to have "="*79 or underline some variable length string)
2008-01-03T01:13:21  <TheSheep> print "%s\n%s" % (text, "="*len(text))
2008-01-03T01:13:23  <TheSheep> :)
2008-01-03T01:13:51  <cb22> TheSheep: nifty :)
2008-01-03T01:13:55  <ThomasWaldmann> overengineered for constant text
2008-01-03T01:14:07  * TheSheep goes to stand in the corner
2008-01-03T01:14:27  <cb22> hehe
2008-01-03T01:18:04  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: how did you test your changes?
2008-01-03T01:18:25  <cb22> just by running moin --help for the commands, why?
2008-01-03T01:19:25  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: any other typos found?
2008-01-03T01:19:40  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: no
2008-01-03T01:19:58  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: but maybe a native english speaker could :)
2008-01-03T01:20:50  <cb22> rafael: link? i'll try and have a quick glance over for you
2008-01-03T01:20:53  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: did you also run the commands without --help and check if they still work normally?
2008-01-03T01:21:09  <rafael> cb22: http://moinmo.in/RafaelWeber/DLRCaseStudy
2008-01-03T01:21:45  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: yep, (all of them that i could)
2008-01-03T01:22:39  <cb22> rafael: and so it is is easy
2008-01-03T01:23:09  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: maybe check tomorrow (ehrm, later today) if the --help can be done at the right of the subcommand
2008-01-03T01:23:19  <rafael> ah, thomas already said that :)
2008-01-03T01:24:29  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: heh, sure
2008-01-03T01:25:39  <cb22> rafael: For every wiki page are a few files
2008-01-03T01:25:57  <rafael> cb22: ?
2008-01-03T01:26:22  <cb22> there should be a 'there' in there :)
2008-01-03T01:26:38  <cb22>  For every wiki page there are a few files
2008-01-03T01:26:45  <rafael> with comma?
2008-01-03T01:27:48  <cb22> For every wiki page there are a few files, so our backup costs for the wiki are very high
2008-01-03T01:29:23  <rafael> ok, anything else? want to go sleeping..
2008-01-03T01:30:19  <cb22> nope, nothing else stands out. nice work :)
2008-01-03T01:30:42  <cb22> and i think ill join you with the sleeping idea, it sounds like a good concept
2008-01-03T01:30:52  <rafael> thanks
2008-01-03T01:31:18  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: hey, finally on the same time as you
2008-01-03T01:31:26  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: or at least up at the same time
2008-01-03T01:32:41  <YoniWiz> maybe..
2008-01-03T01:33:56  <TheSheep> heh
2008-01-03T01:34:11  <TheSheep> ifconfig ThomasWladman0 up
2008-01-03T01:34:12  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: you think he is still around?
2008-01-03T01:35:25  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: just ask your question, in the worst case you get the answer in the morning
2008-01-03T01:35:46  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: I dont really have one in particular, I just wanted to discuss my work with him :-)
2008-01-03T01:36:20  <YoniWiz> well actually I also want to discuss the thing mentioned on the wiki, apparently he has a poster already made or something that isn't digital.. I dunno but I am curious about that
2008-01-03T01:36:44  <YoniWiz> can I ping him?
2008-01-03T01:38:31  <TheSheep> you can try
2008-01-03T01:38:41  <TheSheep> but if he's sleeping already, it won't really help
2008-01-03T01:38:43  <YoniWiz> ping: ThomasWaldmann
2008-01-03T01:39:20  <YoniWiz> well germany is like... +2 maybe so thats 7 off me so lets see... oh its like 2:30 there... (am)
2008-01-03T01:39:25  <YoniWiz> drats
2008-01-03T01:40:02  <YoniWiz> its not a big deal, I can keep in touch via the issue on google
2008-01-03T01:40:37  <ThomasWaldmann> YoniWiz: hi
2008-01-03T01:40:43  <YoniWiz> awesome!
2008-01-03T01:40:46  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: hi!
2008-01-03T01:41:15  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: if you want to go to bed that is okay,... I am just wondering about the poster mentioned on the wiki page and a few things but I understand that its super late there
2008-01-03T01:41:16  * ThomasWaldmann is still awake but not for too long any more...
2008-01-03T01:41:41  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: yeah that's fine, if you want to check out for the night I wont hold it against you :-)
2008-01-03T01:41:51  <ThomasWaldmann> I made some rather quick hack as a mindmap poster
2008-01-03T01:42:27  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: but the task is still valid because yours is not in a finished format?
2008-01-03T01:43:21  <ThomasWaldmann> the task is independant of my work
2008-01-03T01:44:29  <ThomasWaldmann> (and besides that, I am no designer [except software :] and no artist)
2008-01-03T01:45:05  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: hehehe :-) well okay. I think I will just wait for more feedback and talk to you via the issue page
2008-01-03T01:45:10  <YoniWiz> i posted a new version
2008-01-03T01:45:17  <YoniWiz> and am interested to see if you can open this one
2008-01-03T01:45:31  <YoniWiz> and that png on there was very diffferent from mine in a few ways
2008-01-03T01:47:27  * ThomasWaldmann curses the adobe reader plugin
2008-01-03T01:47:54  <YoniWiz> for what? it's not a .pdf...
2008-01-03T01:48:19  <YoniWiz> and sorry about the spelling errors... i still cannot find a spell check but I found a bunch when I checked carefully by hand
2008-01-03T01:48:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i also didnt use a spell checker software
2008-01-03T01:49:10  <ThomasWaldmann> just grey matter :D
2008-01-03T01:49:15  <YoniWiz> okay cool. :D
2008-01-03T01:49:24  <YoniWiz> yeah some were surprising and pathetic
2008-01-03T01:49:25  <TheSheep> beige matter
2008-01-03T01:49:29  <YoniWiz> heheheh
2008-01-03T01:49:33  <TheSheep> grey is out of fashion
2008-01-03T01:49:56  <TheSheep> like plaid matter before it
2008-01-03T01:50:27  * ThomasWaldmann fires xkill at firefox/adobereaderplugin
2008-01-03T01:50:54  <TheSheep> fatality
2008-01-03T01:51:02  <YoniWiz> what are you trying to view?
2008-01-03T01:51:14  <ThomasWaldmann> YoniWiz: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/AttachFile/OpenSourceMeetsBusiness?action=AttachFile see the poster there
2008-01-03T01:51:26  <YoniWiz> the .ps?
2008-01-03T01:51:30  <ThomasWaldmann> pdf
2008-01-03T01:51:59  <YoniWiz> the mind map thing?
2008-01-03T01:52:14  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2008-01-03T01:52:26  <YoniWiz> I viewed it in .ps but it looks the same
2008-01-03T01:52:27  <ThomasWaldmann> made about 1y ago
2008-01-03T01:52:30  <YoniWiz> nice
2008-01-03T01:52:38  <YoniWiz> so do you still want me to make a poster
2008-01-03T01:52:45  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2008-01-03T01:52:54  <YoniWiz> like have two? one be more word based and one by more graphical
2008-01-03T01:52:59  <ThomasWaldmann> a better one :)
2008-01-03T01:53:05  <YoniWiz> yours is more artistic than mine :-)
2008-01-03T01:53:57  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: just use a fancier font ;)
2008-01-03T01:54:01  <YoniWiz> nokia and intel use moinmoin?
2008-01-03T01:54:08  <ThomasWaldmann> you can also do a more up-to-date one (1.6 is out :)
2008-01-03T01:54:09  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: and some photos from morguefile.com
2008-01-03T01:54:17  <YoniWiz> ahahahha TheSheep have you taken a look?
2008-01-03T01:54:30  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: at yours? no...
2008-01-03T01:54:33  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: i used the feature list from the main moinmoin page
2008-01-03T01:54:52  <TheSheep> advertising by features is so 1980
2008-01-03T01:54:56  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: whats that page you linked to?
2008-01-03T01:55:06  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: well what do you suggest?
2008-01-03T01:55:14  <YoniWiz> i am advertising by advantages
2008-01-03T01:55:17  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: a repository of photographs that can be used for projects for free
2008-01-03T01:55:31  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: pretty nice ones, I think
2008-01-03T01:55:54  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: nice, thanks, even if i dont use it here (i may) i will deff. do so on other stuff for personal things
2008-01-03T01:56:38  <ThomasWaldmann> the features page needs some 1.6 refresh
2008-01-03T01:57:07  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: you can advertise to people who laredy use a different wiki and try to convert them, or you can advertise to people who have no idea what wiki is and how it can solve all their problems ;)
2008-01-03T01:57:11  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: what's 2008?
2008-01-03T01:57:16  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: I think the latter market is bigger
2008-01-03T01:57:27  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: user experience ;)
2008-01-03T01:57:46  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: actually that's 2006
2008-01-03T01:57:50  <YoniWiz> ?!
2008-01-03T01:58:00  <YoniWiz> whats 2007/2008
2008-01-03T01:58:04  <TheSheep> s/laredy/already
2008-01-03T01:58:06  <YoniWiz> no better still whats 2009!?
2008-01-03T01:58:14  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: next year
2008-01-03T01:58:22  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-01-03T01:58:34  <YoniWiz> right so what will the advertising style be then so now we can be ahead of it?
2008-01-03T01:58:36  <YoniWiz> :-)
2008-01-03T01:58:42  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's up to you what it will be :)
2008-01-03T01:59:06  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: you'rei n control
2008-01-03T01:59:09  <TheSheep> in
2008-01-03T01:59:20  <YoniWiz> hmm
2008-01-03T01:59:36  <TheSheep> you could advertise by bashing wikipedia ;)
2008-01-03T01:59:41  <YoniWiz> ahahhaha
2008-01-03T01:59:55  <YoniWiz> so ThomasWaldmann do intel and nokia have nice pages?
2008-01-03T02:00:13  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc they use it in intranet
2008-01-03T02:00:31  <TheSheep> "where do you want to moin today?"
2008-01-03T02:00:59  <TheSheep> or do it ballmer-style
2008-01-03T02:00:59  <YoniWiz> as a catch phrase?
2008-01-03T02:01:10  <TheSheep> moinmoining, moinmoining, moinmoining
2008-01-03T02:01:29  <TheSheep> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2105715351924365830
2008-01-03T02:01:40  <YoniWiz> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/AttachFile/EasyToDo/CreateAPoster?action=AttachFile
2008-01-03T02:01:47  <YoniWiz> check out the png TheSheep
2008-01-03T02:03:18  <TheSheep> 1. you use screen fonts for print job
2008-01-03T02:03:35  <ThomasWaldmann> or jump around as a sweating monkey (ok, not good for a poster)
2008-01-03T02:03:45  <TheSheep> 2. if you use caps, add space between letters or use a font designed for caps
2008-01-03T02:04:02  <YoniWiz> you lost me on #1
2008-01-03T02:04:15  <YoniWiz> what about screen fonts? what are those? just what it looks like on screen?
2008-01-03T02:04:23  <TheSheep> 3. make the border around the screenshot consistent
2008-01-03T02:04:41  <YoniWiz> 2. what fonts are designed for caps and how will I know
2008-01-03T02:04:51  <YoniWiz> 3. what screenshot border? i didnt know I had a border
2008-01-03T02:05:02  <YoniWiz> 3. do you mean make the screenshots the same size/
2008-01-03T02:05:23  <TheSheep> 4. justify the columns
2008-01-03T02:05:31  <TheSheep> ok, let me elaborate :)
2008-01-03T02:05:58  <TheSheep> the DejaVu (or is that Verdana) fonts you used are an excellent font designed for reading on the screen
2008-01-03T02:05:59  <YoniWiz> and 4. has me confused too.. what colums?
2008-01-03T02:06:28  <TheSheep> it means they have serifs designed to display nicely in low resolutions, exaggerated x-height and several other tweaks
2008-01-03T02:06:40  <YoniWiz> but on paper is not as good?
2008-01-03T02:07:02  <TheSheep> it also means that they read rather poorly from paper, which is usually pretty high resolution
2008-01-03T02:07:14  <TheSheep> and they look pretty bad as display font, which is even bigger
2008-01-03T02:07:19  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: goodnight by the way and thanks... am I supposed to incorporate yours or use it as a basis of some sort or just as an interesting thing to check out?>
2008-01-03T02:07:42  <YoniWiz> display font?
2008-01-03T02:07:47  <YoniWiz> is that like a supersized header?
2008-01-03T02:07:49  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: for headings and such
2008-01-03T02:07:55  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: yes
2008-01-03T02:08:15  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: I suppose you want some font with nicely rounded seriffs
2008-01-03T02:08:18  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: where did I use the veranda? you mean, not the big "MoinMoin" header but the rest?
2008-01-03T02:08:27  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: and possibly engaging shape, some character
2008-01-03T02:08:35  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: I am fine with whatever fonts you suggest
2008-01-03T02:08:51  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: the big moinmoin header looks like verdana or dejavu serif
2008-01-03T02:09:05  <ThomasWaldmann> YoniWiz: no, please make an independant poster
2008-01-03T02:09:16  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: okay cool
2008-01-03T02:09:32  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: oh... well apparently the whole thing is the same font but that isnt true
2008-01-03T02:09:37  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: personally I would pick something like Bookman Old Style or 21st Century Schoolbook for headings
2008-01-03T02:09:37  <YoniWiz> gahhh stupid computers
2008-01-03T02:10:00  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: or even Impact/Haettenschweiler (spelling?)
2008-01-03T02:10:04  <YoniWiz> woah woah wait
2008-01-03T02:10:24  <YoniWiz> are you looking at this on a web browser please? http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/CreateAPoster?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=MoinMoinPoster.png
2008-01-03T02:10:44  <TheSheep> yes, that's the one
2008-01-03T02:10:49  <YoniWiz> because that is a sans-serif on my screen (I think.. its the one with the little feet thingers)
2008-01-03T02:11:18  <TheSheep> serifs :)
2008-01-03T02:11:22  <YoniWiz> TheSheep: so on your screen that veranda or arial esque font not times new roman style with the little
2008-01-03T02:11:29  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's apng
2008-01-03T02:11:32  <YoniWiz> so serifs are the ones with the little feet?
2008-01-03T02:11:36  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it looks the same on any screen
2008-01-03T02:11:47  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: these feet are called serifs
2008-01-03T02:11:47  <YoniWiz> thats what i thought but it looks nothing like veranda to me
2008-01-03T02:11:58  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: and 'sans' means 'without' in french
2008-01-03T02:12:02  <YoniWiz> okay serif font and veranda is a sans serif without the feet
2008-01-03T02:12:10  <YoniWiz> (so thats redundant then) :-)
2008-01-03T02:12:15  <TheSheep> sory, DejaVu Serif
2008-01-03T02:12:21  <YoniWiz> oh
2008-01-03T02:12:23  <TheSheep> or Georgia
2008-01-03T02:12:28  <YoniWiz> okay well its bitstream vera serif
2008-01-03T02:12:30  <YoniWiz> but anyway
2008-01-03T02:12:34  <YoniWiz> what should it be
2008-01-03T02:12:38  <YoniWiz> a sans serif or a serif?
2008-01-03T02:12:41  <TheSheep> vera == dejavu, modulo minor tweaks
2008-01-03T02:12:50  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's up to you
2008-01-03T02:13:04  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: my point is to use a more detailed and possibly more interesting font
2008-01-03T02:13:10  <YoniWiz> ok
2008-01-03T02:13:19  <TheSheep> maybe not blackletter... ;)
2008-01-03T02:13:28  <YoniWiz> for the big lettering up there, you werent commenting on the bottom part with smaller text?
2008-01-03T02:14:13  <TheSheep> well, smaller text would also benefit from a nicer font face, but not necessarily interesting one :)
2008-01-03T02:15:00  <YoniWiz> what makes a nice font face
2008-01-03T02:15:03  <YoniWiz> what are some you like
2008-01-03T02:15:22  <TheSheep> from the sans-serif ones
2008-01-03T02:15:25  <TheSheep> Myriad is nice
2008-01-03T02:15:44  <TheSheep> Helvetica is a wolrdwide standard
2008-01-03T02:16:04  <YoniWiz> are there advantages to sans-serif over serif?
2008-01-03T02:16:06  <TheSheep> but since Arial was based on it, it looks a little common today
2008-01-03T02:16:23  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's all relative, I'm afraid
2008-01-03T02:16:30  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: sans looks more modern
2008-01-03T02:16:35  <YoniWiz> what is your profession, if you dont mind me asking, and is that how you know all this?
2008-01-03T02:16:45  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: web developer
2008-01-03T02:17:00  <YoniWiz> oh. very nice :-) I like 3d design and such
2008-01-03T02:17:27  <TheSheep> for me it's more of a hobby
2008-01-03T02:17:36  <YoniWiz> which is considered easier to read and more appealing: serif or sans-serif? (i mean on paper not on screen)
2008-01-03T02:17:49  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: whatever you are more used to
2008-01-03T02:18:12  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: there are independent experiments that show drastically different results on different target groups
2008-01-03T02:18:28  <YoniWiz> hmmm
2008-01-03T02:18:46  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: on one hand, serifs make it easier to recognize shapes
2008-01-03T02:19:02  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: on the other hand, snas serif fonts are usually much lighter and simplier
2008-01-03T02:19:07  <TheSheep> sans
2008-01-03T02:19:43  <YoniWiz> recognize shapes... like letters?
2008-01-03T02:19:55  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: what I usually do, is browse through some magaizines, books, web pages, and look for a design that fits the general mood I want, then I copy it :)
2008-01-03T02:20:27  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's good to pick magazines/books for the same target audience as the work you're doing
2008-01-03T02:20:29  <YoniWiz> :-) do you have an opinion on the font Cochin?
2008-01-03T02:21:00  <TheSheep> let me see
2008-01-03T02:21:11  <TheSheep> nice
2008-01-03T02:21:21  <TheSheep> a little wide
2008-01-03T02:21:29  <TheSheep> so probably good for headings and such
2008-01-03T02:21:34  <YoniWiz> cool
2008-01-03T02:21:43  <TheSheep> italics are funnily rounded
2008-01-03T02:22:05  <YoniWiz> i am not using italics. the all capital subheading I should change to a font meant for all caps?
2008-01-03T02:22:48  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: if you use otf, you only need to enable 'caps' in your program
2008-01-03T02:22:52  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: if it supports it
2008-01-03T02:23:03  <YoniWiz> I do not know what that meant
2008-01-03T02:23:04  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: otherwise just increase the letter spacing manually
2008-01-03T02:23:06  <YoniWiz> whats otf
2008-01-03T02:23:23  <TheSheep> OpenType font file format
2008-01-03T02:23:36  <TheSheep> it can contain multiple variants of the same font
2008-01-03T02:23:52  <TheSheep> usually for paragraph text, for headings, for caps, etc.
2008-01-03T02:24:44  <TheSheep> cochin looks like an expensive, high-quality font, so it should have those variants
2008-01-03T02:25:00  <YoniWiz> should I stick with cochin for my sub header too?
2008-01-03T02:25:17  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: yes, it's good to only use 2 or 3 font faces, if possible
2008-01-03T02:25:53  <YoniWiz> I dont see options for anything other than bold and italics
2008-01-03T02:26:06  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: what program do you use?
2008-01-03T02:26:20  <YoniWiz> Inkscape
2008-01-03T02:26:33  <TheSheep> this one is rather poor with text
2008-01-03T02:26:59  <TheSheep> scribus is much better, it should read the svg file...
2008-01-03T02:27:15  <TheSheep> or just don't use CAPS :)
2008-01-03T02:28:29  <YoniWiz> I am thinking maybe just take that subtitle out
2008-01-03T02:28:51  <YoniWiz> i made it up and its not that good anyway
2008-01-03T02:28:59  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: the screenshot at the top has a dark line to the left and at the bottom
2008-01-03T02:29:15  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: and it's made with msie, moin looks better on standard-compatible browsers
2008-01-03T02:29:25  <YoniWiz> msie?
2008-01-03T02:29:29  <YoniWiz> no its not
2008-01-03T02:29:33  <YoniWiz> ahhhh everyone says that
2008-01-03T02:29:54  <TheSheep> it is, it has vertical lines instead of /'s
2008-01-03T02:29:57  <TheSheep> in the page title
2008-01-03T02:29:58  <YoniWiz> i will never use ms anything its made with Safari
2008-01-03T02:30:03  <YoniWiz> Mac
2008-01-03T02:30:04  <YoniWiz> :-D
2008-01-03T02:30:27  <TheSheep> ah, then it's an old version that can't use :before and :after
2008-01-03T02:30:38  <YoniWiz> so you say, take the screenshots all again with firefox?
2008-01-03T02:31:07  <ThomasWaldmann> that would be worth doing it
2008-01-03T02:31:18  <YoniWiz> hmm okay
2008-01-03T02:31:37  * ThomasWaldmann wonders about safari
2008-01-03T02:31:38  <YoniWiz> i cant redo the main one
2008-01-03T02:31:45  <YoniWiz> i didnt take it
2008-01-03T02:32:07  <YoniWiz> do you have a large screen?
2008-01-03T02:32:33  <TheSheep> 20"
2008-01-03T02:32:34  <ThomasWaldmann> 10.5" here :D
2008-01-03T02:32:48  <YoniWiz> 12 here
2008-01-03T02:33:05  <YoniWiz> so TheSheep would you take a screenshot of the main moin page? (is that the only one that there is a problem with?
2008-01-03T02:33:19  <YoniWiz> and 2. do the other fonts need to be changed
2008-01-03T02:33:40  <YoniWiz> and 3. what did you mean about justify the columns... I didnt know I had columns
2008-01-03T02:34:00  <YoniWiz> and 4. what about the borders? that is part of the screenshot by mistake?
2008-01-03T02:35:05  <TheSheep> yes
2008-01-03T02:35:29  <TheSheep> justify == make the text stretched to both margins
2008-01-03T02:35:38  <TheSheep> so it forms a block
2008-01-03T02:35:46  <YoniWiz> oh, right, duh
2008-01-03T02:35:47  <TheSheep> like in book
2008-01-03T02:35:51  <YoniWiz> uhhhhh what about the ones
2008-01-03T02:35:57  <YoniWiz> that have like...
2008-01-03T02:36:02  <YoniWiz> nowhere close to that much text on a a like
2008-01-03T02:36:06  <YoniWiz> *line
2008-01-03T02:36:16  <YoniWiz> like the ones with 4 words on a line for that bullet point?
2008-01-03T02:36:16  <TheSheep> orphan lines
2008-01-03T02:36:19  <YoniWiz> leave those?
2008-01-03T02:36:22  <TheSheep> they are just left-aligned
2008-01-03T02:36:23  <YoniWiz> not justified
2008-01-03T02:37:23  <YoniWiz> i do not follow
2008-01-03T02:37:31  <YoniWiz> one sec
2008-01-03T02:39:02  <TheSheep> http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/moin-1400.png
2008-01-03T02:39:05  <TheSheep> http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/moin-1024.png
2008-01-03T02:39:14  <YoniWiz> thanks
2008-01-03T02:39:26  <YoniWiz> is one widescreen?
2008-01-03T02:39:38  <TheSheep> yes
2008-01-03T02:39:44  <YoniWiz> k thats the one i will use
2008-01-03T02:39:49  <YoniWiz> umm i tried to justify
2008-01-03T02:39:51  <YoniWiz> it didnt work
2008-01-03T02:40:13  <TheSheep> not necessarily the list
2008-01-03T02:40:19  <TheSheep> but the two large blocks of text
2008-01-03T02:40:44  <YoniWiz> the one at the bottom of the list and the block above the screenshots?
2008-01-03T02:41:02  <TheSheep> OpenType font format
2008-01-03T02:41:04  <YoniWiz> nice that block worked
2008-01-03T02:41:08  <TheSheep> sorry
2008-01-03T02:41:10  <YoniWiz> i dont know what that is
2008-01-03T02:41:10  <YoniWiz> lol
2008-01-03T02:41:33  <YoniWiz> the bottom block will not justify
2008-01-03T02:41:38  <YoniWiz> only the one above the screenshots
2008-01-03T02:42:11  <TheSheep> fun :)
2008-01-03T02:42:35  <TheSheep> you could drop shadws under the logo and the screenshots :)
2008-01-03T02:42:49  <YoniWiz> just for kicks and appearance?
2008-01-03T02:42:53  <TheSheep> yes
2008-01-03T02:42:58  <TheSheep> if you are bored
2008-01-03T02:43:09  <YoniWiz> if i can figure it out
2008-01-03T02:43:29  <TheSheep> just make a radial-filled circle under the logo
2008-01-03T02:43:45  <TheSheep> with a gradient from black to white
2008-01-03T02:44:09  <TheSheep> but that's not important
2008-01-03T02:44:26  <TheSheep> the 'Website:' and the url would look better on a songle line, imho
2008-01-03T02:44:39  <TheSheep> and with the same font you used for text or for headings
2008-01-03T02:44:56  <YoniWiz> whats imho
2008-01-03T02:45:01  <YoniWiz> in my _____ opinion
2008-01-03T02:45:10  <TheSheep> humble
2008-01-03T02:45:44  <TheSheep> you are the designer
2008-01-03T02:46:19  <YoniWiz> same difference to me, just leaves more white space under
2008-01-03T02:46:23  <YoniWiz> but i can center it and its fine
2008-01-03T02:46:36  <TheSheep> whitespace is a tricky beast
2008-01-03T02:47:12  <TheSheep> for example, if you leave a lot of whitespace everywhere, make huge distances between headings and paragraphs, etc.
2008-01-03T02:47:27  <TheSheep> then it will look expensive and more 'classy'
2008-01-03T02:47:57  <TheSheep> if you remove whitespace and cramp it one of the another, it will look like an ad brochure from your supermarket
2008-01-03T02:48:39  <YoniWiz> hmmm
2008-01-03T02:48:41  <TheSheep> compare the flayers advertising pizza and the ones advertising gold jewelry
2008-01-03T02:48:47  <TheSheep> flyers
2008-01-03T02:49:12  <TheSheep> the trick is to fit into your target audience
2008-01-03T02:49:40  <TheSheep> if you make it look too expensive, nobody will be interested
2008-01-03T02:49:55  <TheSheep> if you make it look to cheap, nobody will want it
2008-01-03T02:50:01  <TheSheep> too
2008-01-03T02:50:46  <TheSheep> of course, fonts play a big role here too
2008-01-03T02:50:46  <YoniWiz> is it a problem if i dont change the subheader?
2008-01-03T02:51:07  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it's all up to you , really
2008-01-03T02:51:16  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: I only made some remarks
2008-01-03T02:51:31  <YoniWiz> well its just too confusing... id like to change it but scribus does not make it nice for mac users to install
2008-01-03T02:51:47  <YoniWiz> you have to unpack the file then do so again then move it to certain different places then unzip the application
2008-01-03T02:51:48  <YoniWiz> or something
2008-01-03T02:51:50  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: well, forget about scribus then
2008-01-03T02:51:52  <YoniWiz> k
2008-01-03T02:52:26  <TheSheep> they should add letter spacing to inkscape, really, even gimp has it
2008-01-03T02:52:51  <YoniWiz> i have gimpp!!!!
2008-01-03T02:52:55  <YoniWiz> should i open the svg in that?
2008-01-03T02:52:56  <TheSheep> then again, maybe svg doesn't support it
2008-01-03T02:53:05  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: gimp is for raster graphics
2008-01-03T02:53:06  <YoniWiz> well i can save this as an eps
2008-01-03T02:53:13  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: you won't be able to save to svg
2008-01-03T02:53:21  <YoniWiz> whats raster mean? like non-editable like in photoshop?
2008-01-03T02:53:25  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: it can open svg
2008-01-03T02:53:37  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: but it will convert it to pixels
2008-01-03T02:53:40  <YoniWiz> oh
2008-01-03T02:53:43  <TheSheep> not curves
2008-01-03T02:53:57  <TheSheep> yes, like photoshop
2008-01-03T02:54:09  <TheSheep> otoh, you don't use anything that gimp can't do
2008-01-03T02:54:10  <YoniWiz> k
2008-01-03T02:54:26  <TheSheep> it can do editable text, and you only use raster graphics anyways
2008-01-03T02:54:40  <TheSheep> except for the moin logo
2008-01-03T02:54:58  <TheSheep> but you'd have to make it in large resolution
2008-01-03T02:55:00  <YoniWiz> no thats a png too :-)
2008-01-03T02:55:03  <TheSheep> like 600dpi at least
2008-01-03T02:55:17  <YoniWiz> heheheh i couldnt get the logo in a vector form so i screenshotted it
2008-01-03T02:55:22  <YoniWiz> its a png too :-)
2008-01-03T02:55:37  <TheSheep> then try with gimp :)
2008-01-03T02:55:45  <TheSheep> it also has automated shadows :)
2008-01-03T02:55:50  <YoniWiz> but then i cant save as a svg?
2008-01-03T02:55:55  <TheSheep> no
2008-01-03T02:56:08  <YoniWiz> will that be a problem?
2008-01-03T02:56:11  <YoniWiz> oh yes
2008-01-03T02:56:12  <TheSheep> but you can save as xcf
2008-01-03T02:56:30  <YoniWiz> the task requires i save in vector format like scribus or publisher or something
2008-01-03T02:56:36  <TheSheep> it's raster, but with all the layers, and with text saved as text, so you can move and edit everything
2008-01-03T02:56:47  <TheSheep> ah
2008-01-03T02:56:52  <YoniWiz> they wouldnt let me use photoshop
2008-01-03T02:56:57  <YoniWiz> so i dont think gimp would be ookay
2008-01-03T02:57:00  <YoniWiz> :-(
2008-01-03T02:57:03  <TheSheep> then you shouldn't be using raster graphics, should you? :)
2008-01-03T02:57:23  <TheSheep> well, can't do anything for screenshots, but the logo...
2008-01-03T02:57:28  <YoniWiz> wellllll :-)
2008-01-03T02:57:51  <YoniWiz> i dunno the size is big enough as is and I dont know how to get things like screenshots into a document without them being a raster graphic
2008-01-03T02:57:53  <YoniWiz> do youuu??
2008-01-03T02:58:16  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: trace them
2008-01-03T02:58:26  <YoniWiz> ahahhahahh yeah right!
2008-01-03T02:58:31  <TheSheep> but not the screenshots
2008-01-03T02:58:37  <YoniWiz> oh
2008-01-03T02:58:40  <TheSheep> remeber that it's a poster
2008-01-03T02:58:42  <YoniWiz> you meant the logo?
2008-01-03T02:58:49  <YoniWiz> well i think its fine
2008-01-03T02:58:50  <TheSheep> it's going to be printed on a3 in 600dpi
2008-01-03T02:59:06  <TheSheep> that's a lot of points
2008-01-03T03:00:47  <TheSheep> 12in*600dpi = 7200 point
2008-01-03T03:00:48  <TheSheep> s
2008-01-03T03:00:56  <TheSheep> width
2008-01-03T03:01:08  <TheSheep> height is almost 17in
2008-01-03T03:03:13  <YoniWiz> its an ao i thought
2008-01-03T03:03:28  <TheSheep> ao?
2008-01-03T03:03:28  <YoniWiz> a0
2008-01-03T03:03:33  <YoniWiz> A0
2008-01-03T03:03:35  <YoniWiz> sorry
2008-01-03T03:03:44  <TheSheep> 33.1×46.8in
2008-01-03T03:03:52  <TheSheep> 3 times bigger
2008-01-03T03:04:09  <YoniWiz> dunno it looks fine.... :-)
2008-01-03T03:04:17  <YoniWiz> ahhhhhi  have homeworkkkk
2008-01-03T03:04:34  <TheSheep> 19860×28080 pixels
2008-01-03T03:04:38  <YoniWiz> omg
2008-01-03T03:04:51  <YoniWiz> yeah but i made it as an A0
2008-01-03T03:04:58  <YoniWiz> when I said new document I said
2008-01-03T03:04:59  <TheSheep> in what dpi?
2008-01-03T03:05:00  <YoniWiz> A0
2008-01-03T03:05:06  <TheSheep> 70?
2008-01-03T03:05:12  <YoniWiz> heheeheh didnt give me that option because its a vector program
2008-01-03T03:05:20  <YoniWiz> but i dunno the dpi of the images im bringing it
2008-01-03T03:05:21  <YoniWiz> *in
2008-01-03T03:06:01  <TheSheep> I know that images the size of a screen look crappy printed on a4
2008-01-03T03:06:16  <YoniWiz> uh oh
2008-01-03T03:06:25  <YoniWiz> cause
2008-01-03T03:06:38  <YoniWiz> its an A0 but its 3000 by 4000 ish
2008-01-03T03:06:43  <YoniWiz> how can i fix that though?
2008-01-03T03:06:58  <TheSheep> I made full-page ad for a magazine once, and they wanted 600dpi
2008-01-03T03:07:11  <YoniWiz> you cant take a screenshot at 600dpi and they required screenshots
2008-01-03T03:07:20  <TheSheep> hmmm
2008-01-03T03:07:21  <YoniWiz> i asked for high quality ones they said take your own or find them
2008-01-03T03:07:27  <YoniWiz> ...
2008-01-03T03:07:29  <YoniWiz> hahahha
2008-01-03T03:07:51  <TheSheep> I can try to save some html+css and try to render it with prince in high resolution tomorrow
2008-01-03T03:08:12  <TheSheep> I think it renders to curves, not to pixels
2008-01-03T03:09:05  <TheSheep> YoniWiz: you can use screenshots, just very small ones ;)
2008-01-03T03:09:28  <YoniWiz> hahah well i appreciate that and it'd be awesome
2008-01-03T03:09:44  <YoniWiz> i duno tho i am meeting the requirements... this is so much more confusing than i expected :-P
2008-01-03T03:09:52  <TheSheep> I'm sure there must be an svg moin logo lying somewhere, though
2008-01-03T03:09:56  <YoniWiz> welll
2008-01-03T03:09:58  <TheSheep> you could uat least use that
2008-01-03T03:09:58  <YoniWiz> one sec
2008-01-03T03:10:08  <YoniWiz> i have an ai one
2008-01-03T03:10:09  <YoniWiz> and a pdf
2008-01-03T03:10:15  <TheSheep> I *am* confusing, can't help that
2008-01-03T03:10:24  <TheSheep> inkscape should open ai
2008-01-03T03:10:37  <TheSheep> ore or less
2008-01-03T03:10:41  <TheSheep> with some loss
2008-01-03T03:10:58  <YoniWiz> what about pdf
2008-01-03T03:11:03  <YoniWiz> i have that too and prefer it
2008-01-03T03:11:17  <TheSheep> I never managed to extract vectors from a padf
2008-01-03T03:11:19  <TheSheep> pdf
2008-01-03T03:11:39  <TheSheep> but if you do, I'm interested in the recipe
2008-01-03T03:11:39  <YoniWiz> lets see if i can with inkscape
2008-01-03T03:12:46  <YoniWiz> nopeee
2008-01-03T03:13:05  <YoniWiz> i can trace the png
2008-01-03T03:13:08  <YoniWiz> and make a vector
2008-01-03T03:13:09  <YoniWiz> or try
2008-01-03T03:13:18  <YoniWiz> ill spend 15 min tonight but then i need to do hmwk
2008-01-03T03:13:51  <TheSheep> have fun
2008-01-03T03:13:53  <TheSheep> good night
2008-01-03T03:16:04  <YoniWiz> night and thanks for all the help
2008-01-03T03:19:13  <YoniWiz> i couldnt do it
2008-01-03T03:19:16  <YoniWiz> at all
2008-01-03T03:19:38  <YoniWiz> ill look for a new programlater
2008-01-03T07:50:42  <ernestas> moin
2008-01-03T08:03:04  <ernestas> We have two CIA's here?
2008-01-03T08:15:17  * ernestas read pep-308
2008-01-03T08:15:53  * ernestas liked python's conditioning :)
2008-01-03T12:47:15  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: i've updated #92
2008-01-03T12:47:45  <cb22> i'm not too sure if i understood what you meant by the 'command line...\n=========' bit, so i moved it onto two print statements
2008-01-03T12:53:04  <grzybacz> moin
2008-01-03T13:02:35  <ernestas> moin
2008-01-03T13:02:39  <TheSheep> moin
2008-01-03T13:02:50  <ernestas> where's dreimark?
2008-01-03T13:07:03  <ernestas> he's gone for the second day...
2008-01-03T13:10:30  <theredmonkey> moin
2008-01-03T13:32:05  <kikka> Moin
2008-01-03T13:32:17  <ernestas> hey
2008-01-03T13:32:29  <ernestas> how're you feeling today?
2008-01-03T13:33:10  <kikka> better than yesterday
2008-01-03T13:33:14  <kikka> 14h sleep
2008-01-03T13:33:18  <ernestas> that's nice
2008-01-03T13:36:36  <ernestas> >>> 3 * 0.1
2008-01-03T13:36:39  <ernestas> eh?
2008-01-03T13:36:49  <kikka> huch
2008-01-03T13:37:00  <johill> ?
2008-01-03T13:37:16  <ernestas> python can't calculate properly?
2008-01-03T13:37:17  <johill> are you just learning about floating point now? :P
2008-01-03T13:37:23  <ernestas> yeah
2008-01-03T13:37:35  <johill> your computer can't calculate properly in real numbers
2008-01-03T13:37:47  <johill> it can't even *store* 0.1 properly
2008-01-03T13:37:56  <johill> (in a float/double variable)
2008-01-03T13:38:12  <ernestas> heh
2008-01-03T13:38:28  <ernestas> you want to say that my celeron is dumb, eh?
2008-01-03T13:38:35  <johill> by design
2008-01-03T13:38:46  <johill> floats are binary too
2008-01-03T13:38:53  <TheSheep> ernestas: that's a floating point error
2008-01-03T13:39:06  <TheSheep> ernestas: you want exact(er) results, use Decimal
2008-01-03T13:39:29  <johill> but first you really should learn about floating points to be able to make the tradeoff
2008-01-03T13:39:42  <TheSheep> if it's currency, use Decimal
2008-01-03T14:37:18  * ernestas is reading pep-0327. now I understand... thanks
2008-01-03T15:46:45  <cb22> YoniWiz: ping
2008-01-03T15:51:08  <ernestas> cb22: where did you hide dreimark?
2008-01-03T15:52:39  <cb22> ernestas: you read xkcd?
2008-01-03T15:53:10  <ernestas> sometimes
2008-01-03T15:53:16  <cb22> imagine http://xkcd.com/360/ but with dreimark in the last panel :p
2008-01-03T15:55:23  <ernestas> :)))
2008-01-03T15:57:02  <ninnnu> No, actually he succeed on repeating the last panel of http://xkcd.com/353/
2008-01-03T15:57:51  <cb22> hehehe
2008-01-03T15:58:33  <cb22> i wouldnt be surprized if some python dev added a antigravity module easter egg
2008-01-03T16:00:31  <TheSheep> nah
2008-01-03T16:00:39  <TheSheep> there is this already
2008-01-03T16:00:44  <TheSheep> and has bugs
2008-01-03T16:02:19  <cb22> i can has antigravity (to the picture of a cute cat)
2008-01-03T16:11:08  <dreimark> moin
2008-01-03T16:11:19  <ernestas> moin dreimark
2008-01-03T16:11:39  <dreimark> ernestas: I am still ill, I asked ThomasWaldmann to contnue with your task
2008-01-03T16:11:58  <ernestas> ok, thank you
2008-01-03T16:20:00  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-03T18:52:54  <theredmonkey> bye
2008-01-03T19:56:27  <ernestas> ThomasWaldmann
2008-01-03T20:23:34  <ernestas> well...
2008-01-03T21:04:21  <YoniWiz> cb22: pong ?
2008-01-03T21:27:45  <cb22> YoniWiz: where did you find that moin logo you used in your poster?
2008-01-03T21:27:58  <YoniWiz> cb22: the thread on moin
2008-01-03T21:28:10  <YoniWiz> i took the file from there then did a few things and imported it
2008-01-03T21:28:25  <YoniWiz> cb22: you need it?
2008-01-03T21:32:37  <YoniWiz> cb22: hello?
2008-01-03T22:14:10  <xorAxAx> dreimark: PING
2008-01-03T22:18:37  * xorAxAx has a look at cb22's code
2008-01-03T22:27:40  <xorAxAx> cb22: i cant find the help printing code in the patch, was it there before?
2008-01-03T22:28:07  <cb22> xorAxAx: thats weird? if "--help in args: ?
2008-01-03T22:30:50  <xorAxAx> hmm? that if is a bit brute force - you should use the getopt object, nor?
2008-01-03T22:31:02  <xorAxAx> also it doesnt work if the user specifies -h etc.
2008-01-03T22:33:22  <cb22> xorAxAx: the problem is that after the command subcommand bit the options are just a list passed on to the relevant script
2008-01-03T22:33:38  <cb22> which is why originally it was moin.py --help command subcommand
2008-01-03T22:33:47  <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: what is it that you want larger?
2008-01-03T22:33:55  <xorAxAx> cb22: ah, indeed
2008-01-03T22:34:12  <YoniWiz> cb22: did you get my message earlier about the logo?
2008-01-03T22:34:17  <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: the smallest font size that is used for most of the text
2008-01-03T22:34:27  <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: okay
2008-01-03T22:34:37  <cb22> YoniWiz: yes, i found a biger version through searching, thanks
2008-01-03T22:34:38  <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: imagine it being printed to a poster and people standing a few meters far away from it
2008-01-03T22:34:55  <YoniWiz> cb22: where?
2008-01-03T22:34:57  <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: k
2008-01-03T22:37:32  <cb22> YoniWiz: at http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/MoinMoinLogo
2008-01-03T22:37:39  <cb22> look for 'M Nodes in a Circle'
2008-01-03T22:37:50  <YoniWiz> cb22: yep thats where I got mine
2008-01-03T22:37:53  <YoniWiz> that thread
2008-01-03T22:37:55  <YoniWiz> (or wiki
2008-01-03T22:40:05  <cb22> xorAxAx: btw, i could change that line to if "--help" or "-h" in args:
2008-01-03T22:40:13  <xorAxAx> cb22: also fine, yes
2008-01-03T22:40:20  <xorAxAx> if no existing script uses -h
2008-01-03T22:40:29  <xorAxAx> cb22: can you answer my question above?
2008-01-03T22:40:33  <cb22> i'll run a quick grep
2008-01-03T22:40:45  <cb22> which one?
2008-01-03T22:42:04  <xorAxAx> 22:27:39 < xorAxAx> cb22: i cant find the help printing code in the patch, was it there before?
2008-01-03T22:42:15  <xorAxAx> or is it still missing?
2008-01-03T22:42:35  <cb22> i dont understand?
2008-01-03T22:43:48  <cb22> the code that prints the help is the one under  that if statement we were talking about?
2008-01-03T22:47:02  <xorAxAx> it calls a method
2008-01-03T22:47:07  <xorAxAx> and that one is old?
2008-01-03T22:47:10  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-03T22:47:19  <xorAxAx> sorry for confusion :)
2008-01-03T22:52:43  <cb22> no problem, any other issues?
2008-01-03T22:53:12  <cb22> btw, if you could especially read over my docstring for mkpagepacks
2008-01-03T22:53:21  <cb22> i'm not too sure if i understood its purpose
2008-01-03T23:02:13  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-01-03T23:02:51  <YoniWiz> moin
2008-01-03T23:03:05  <YoniWiz> i am about to post a newer version
2008-01-03T23:16:39  <jbardin> Hello to some core devs - I need to push 1.7 into production ahead of release (I need the new auth system).  I'd like to get involved, is there a good time in the cycle to jump in?
2008-01-03T23:31:07  <xorAxAx> jbardin: why not? :)
2008-01-03T23:32:24  <ThomasWaldmann> jbardin: there is a 1.7.0 release plan, you can help us doing it in time
2008-01-03T23:33:32  <jbardin> Oh, is it posted yet? I probably don't have much to contribute except little bugfixes as I run into them
2008-01-03T23:33:47  <xorAxAx> jbardin: thats perfectly fine
2008-01-03T23:33:55  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinTodo/Release%201.7.0
2008-01-03T23:35:39  <jbardin> Wow, that's pretty fast :), how should I go about sending patches? little typo fixes and stuff don't seem worthy of noting on the wiki
2008-01-03T23:36:04  <xorAxAx> jbardin: you need to create a diff file
2008-01-03T23:36:15  <xorAxAx> and upload it to the wiki
2008-01-03T23:38:26  <ThomasWaldmann> jbardin: you use mercurial?
2008-01-03T23:38:57  <jbardin> yup, I've been keeping a clone in sync here
2008-01-03T23:39:14  <dreimark> a bug descripton on the wiki would be fine
2008-01-03T23:39:30  <dreimark> because may be we have it fixed in current 1.6 too
2008-01-03T23:42:41  <MrBawb> speaking of 1.7
2008-01-03T23:42:51  <jbardin> This is what I wanted to sort out. For example, I have a couple lines in PageGraphicalEditor that I fixed, but they were pretty obvious, and didn't want to bother people if they're already fixed
2008-01-03T23:43:30  <MrBawb> ThomasWaldmann: did you have a chance to look over my subscriber code?
2008-01-03T23:44:02  <dreimark> jbardin: yes, it is easier after we have done step one of the plan