MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-28

2007-12-28T00:35:06  <dreimark> gn
2007-12-28T11:34:55  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-28T13:03:45  <braunsv> moin
2007-12-28T15:22:14  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-28T15:32:51  <xorAxAx> moin from level A
2007-12-28T15:46:31  * ThomasWaldmann is at hackcenter. seat, power and cat5. :P
2007-12-28T15:47:43  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we meet at 19:15 on entrance level near the round stairs for dinner
2007-12-28T15:54:50  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: the indin restaurant this time?
2007-12-28T17:15:56  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: or any other idea?
2007-12-28T17:20:53  <kikka> Hello
2007-12-28T17:22:23  <xorAxAx> moin kikka from S3
2007-12-28T17:24:32  <kikka> S3?
2007-12-28T17:31:01  <xorAxAx> saal3
2007-12-28T17:32:31  <kikka> Ah.
2007-12-28T17:40:51  <starshine> moin you guys
2007-12-28T17:41:17  <ThomasWaldmann> hi starshine
2007-12-28T18:30:35  <ernestas> moin
2007-12-28T18:35:41  <ernestas> I have a strange problem: I'm trying to reproduce the CannotCreateUpdateDrawings bug and have tested MS Java. Now I have downloaded Sun Java 6 and it I can't edit/create my drawing in any browser. I'm getting a message in status bar: "java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL http://moinmo.in/ErnestasLiubarskij/CannotUpdateCreateDrawingsBug?action=AttachFile&do=savedrawing"
2007-12-28T18:36:01  <starshine> 403 = forbidden
2007-12-28T18:36:05  <ernestas> yes, I know
2007-12-28T18:36:09  <ernestas> but why?
2007-12-28T18:36:33  <starshine> maybe the file has bad permissions on the filesystem side?
2007-12-28T18:36:44  <ernestas> I'm using moinmo.in wiki
2007-12-28T18:36:47  <xorAxAx> ernestas: hah, most likely thomas' bot detector
2007-12-28T18:36:55  <ernestas> err
2007-12-28T18:37:00  <xorAxAx> ernestas: sniff (wireshark etc.) and see which useragent is transmitted
2007-12-28T18:37:43  <ernestas> xorAxAx: ok, I'll try
2007-12-28T18:48:03  <ernestas> xorAxAx: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; lt; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11\r\n
2007-12-28T18:49:15  <xorAxAx>    hmm
2007-12-28T18:49:32  <xorAxAx> ernestas: thats the savedrawing request?
2007-12-28T18:49:52  <ernestas> You are not allowed to access this!\r\n
2007-12-28T18:50:09  <ernestas> xorAxAx: yes
2007-12-28T18:50:21  <ernestas> no
2007-12-28T18:50:25  <ernestas> :)
2007-12-28T18:50:38  <ernestas> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (Windows XP 5.1) Java/1.6.0_03\r\n
2007-12-28T18:50:59  <ernestas> that's it
2007-12-28T18:51:02  <ernestas> I think so
2007-12-28T18:51:03  <xorAxAx> see if that is matched by the bots list in multiconfig
2007-12-28T18:51:16  <xorAxAx> i mean the defaultconfig class
2007-12-28T18:51:29  <ernestas> where's that defaulconfig class located?
2007-12-28T18:51:59  <xorAxAx> grep for it :)
2007-12-28T18:52:10  <ernestas> in wiki?
2007-12-28T18:52:12  <ernestas> eh?
2007-12-28T18:52:13  <kikka> Ich kann nicht zum Essen kommen, ich hab gleich Garderobenschicht.
2007-12-28T18:52:52  <xorAxAx> ernestas: in the code base
2007-12-28T18:53:41  <ernestas> online?
2007-12-28T18:56:44  <xorAxAx> ernestas: knowing how to get the code of moinmoin is a strict requirement to pass any kind of task :)
2007-12-28T18:56:50  <xorAxAx> see furtherinformation
2007-12-28T18:57:36  <ernestas> I know how to get the code
2007-12-28T18:57:36  <ernestas> I'm on windows now. Is here any grep-replacement?
2007-12-28T18:57:41  <ernestas> I don't know windows commands very well...
2007-12-28T18:58:27  <ernestas> well, I can try windows search... eh
2007-12-28T18:58:38  <xorAxAx> exactly :)
2007-12-28T18:58:44  <xorAxAx> you dont need grep to grep
2007-12-28T19:06:01  <ernestas> ehm.. I have searched "Mozilla" and the search gave me only fck* files...
2007-12-28T19:08:56  <xorAxAx> ernestas: you should search for DefaultConfig
2007-12-28T19:13:32  <ernestas_> I got diconnected...
2007-12-28T19:13:43  <theredmonkey> moin
2007-12-28T19:14:03  <ernestas_> xorAxAx "Search is complete. There are no results to display."
2007-12-28T19:14:23  <ernestas_> moin theredmonkey
2007-12-28T19:14:44  <ernestas_> I don't like windows :/
2007-12-28T19:15:46  <ernestas_> xorAxAx: I have tryed to search in filenames and also in the text inside filenames using Windows Search
2007-12-28T19:15:55  <ernestas_> and it didn't find anything
2007-12-28T19:16:25  <ernestas_> *text inside files
2007-12-28T19:16:59  <xorAxAx> ernestas_: i can find it
2007-12-28T19:17:26  <ernestas_> hmmm. maybe it's not indexed or so...
2007-12-28T19:17:29  <xorAxAx> so i confirmed that this is the issue
2007-12-28T19:17:44  <xorAxAx> knowing how to search in text files is essential :)
2007-12-28T19:17:48  <ernestas_> oh, thank you very much xorAxAx
2007-12-28T19:19:31  <ernestas_> xorAxAx could you tell me how to do that? I have used the "A word or phrase in the file" search box in windows search and I have searched the moin source dir. It didn't find anything.
2007-12-28T19:20:42  <ernestas_> Maybe files are not indexed or what...
2007-12-28T19:21:25  <ernestas_> I'm not a windows guru, btw :))
2007-12-28T19:26:26  <ernestas__> hmm... ** Closing: Software caused connection abort
2007-12-28T19:27:53  <ernestas__> I'll try to avoid tasks that need windows in the future...
2007-12-28T19:28:28  <ernestas__> xorAxAx: so if I'm a bot, what should I do now? report that and that's all?
2007-12-28T19:30:31  <ernestas__> whaaat?
2007-12-28T19:30:45  <ernestas__> seems that I'm really a bot :D
2007-12-28T19:37:22  <starshine> heh
2007-12-28T19:37:49  <ernestas__> ok, I have found that DefaultConfig without any search... Who could be so
2007-12-28T19:38:21  <ernestas__> I mean why is java added as spider?
2007-12-28T19:39:01  <starshine> I think that was added befor emobile phones :)
2007-12-28T19:40:42  <ernestas__> xorAxAx: I have nothing to try anymore then... if I'm considered as a spider-bot. What should I do now?
2007-12-28T19:41:21  <ernestas__> I wonder how other windows users can edit drawings
2007-12-28T19:41:41  <starshine> maybe they are usign opera
2007-12-28T19:42:10  <starshine> sorry for my horrible typing today. too many windows
2007-12-28T19:43:54  <ernestas__> it's even better with opera. I get "MSVCR71.dll was not found" error when I try to edit a drawing...
2007-12-28T19:44:33  <ernestas__> It's a fresh Windows installation, btw. I have installed it only to do my issue :)
2007-12-28T19:45:11  <bolekk> moin
2007-12-28T19:45:15  <ernestas__> moin bolekk
2007-12-28T19:47:18  <bolekk> xorAxAx: can I ask you some questions about the notification bot ?
2007-12-28T19:47:35  <xorAxAx> bolekk: we can try :)
2007-12-28T19:48:03  <ernestas__> xorAxAx: what should I do now?
2007-12-28T19:48:28  <xorAxAx> ernestas: you can try to see if it works if you remove java from that list
2007-12-28T19:48:59  <bolekk> xorAxAx: well first of all, does it already send any <presence> stanza after logging in ?
2007-12-28T19:49:03  <ernestas> and now I will have to setup moin... right, ok...
2007-12-28T19:49:32  <xorAxAx> bolekk: i would assume so, would be pretty useless without, right? :)
2007-12-28T19:49:44  <xorAxAx> ernestas: there is nothing to setup :)
2007-12-28T19:49:52  <xorAxAx> just download 1.6 and double click moin.py
2007-12-28T19:49:58  <ernestas> no apache?
2007-12-28T19:49:59  <xorAxAx> (after installing python)
2007-12-28T19:50:45  <starshine> ernestas: it can serve standalone
2007-12-28T19:50:59  <ernestas> yay!
2007-12-28T19:52:01  <bolekk> xorAxAx: ekhm, all right :) but I didn't find it in code, Presence is only used for some "subscribe" "unsubscribed" matters
2007-12-28T19:52:35  <bolekk> xorAxAx: where should I look for it ?
2007-12-28T19:52:41  <xorAxAx> bolekk: why do you need to?
2007-12-28T19:54:08  <bolekk> xorAxAx: I thought that it is a part of task #72 to extend a function that sends this stanza by adding this stuff descibed in XMPP..
2007-12-28T19:54:24  <xorAxAx> let me check
2007-12-28T19:57:05  <xorAxAx> bolekk: no idea how the presence is sent currently, you should ask karol via the task comments
2007-12-28T19:57:56  <bolekk> all right, I'll try to catch him via Jabber but he's unavailale right now
2007-12-28T19:58:29  <xorAxAx> no, via the task's comments please
2007-12-28T19:58:33  <ernestas> xorAxAx: yes, it works after removing java from that spider list
2007-12-28T19:59:01  <xorAxAx> cool, report that in the task's comments and ask why thomas did such a bad move :)
2007-12-28T19:59:09  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-28T19:59:27  <ernestas> I'll do that after testing all browsers
2007-12-28T20:02:01  <bolekk> xorAxAx: all right. My last question is What are the capabilities of this Moin Jabber Bot ? Or maybe firstly: Is sending this <iq> response containing capabilities info also a part of this task?
2007-12-28T20:05:06  <starshine> hrm. do we have something like the EmailActivation auth plugin for moin 1.6 ?
2007-12-28T20:49:08  <xorAxAx> bolekk: not sure, ask karol
2007-12-28T20:53:49  <bolekk> xorAxAx: okay
2007-12-28T21:14:35  <xorAxAx> johill: cool, a xnu talk is soon to start
2007-12-28T21:14:56  <johill> xnu?
2007-12-28T21:15:18  <johill> that's macos or something, no?
2007-12-28T21:15:27  <xorAxAx> thats the mac os kernel :)
2007-12-28T21:16:04  <johill> yeah, ok
2007-12-28T21:28:14  <grzybacz> bolekk
2007-12-28T21:28:23  <ernestas> moin grzybacz
2007-12-28T21:28:39  <bolekk> grzybacz: yes?
2007-12-28T21:29:00  <grzybacz> bolekk: I saw you comment, give me a minute
2007-12-28T21:29:06  <grzybacz> *your
2007-12-28T21:29:28  <bolekk> grzybacz: ok :)
2007-12-28T21:30:55  <grzybacz> bolekk: http://pyxmpp.jajcus.net/api/public/pyxmpp.client.Client-class.html#session_started
2007-12-28T21:31:08  <grzybacz> Basically, you should overload it in the bot and add necessary code there.
2007-12-28T21:31:15  <grzybacz> THat is, sending the presence by hand. :)
2007-12-28T21:31:30  <grzybacz> Oh yes, and request the roster.
2007-12-28T21:31:49  <grzybacz> (by calling roster_request(), heh)
2007-12-28T21:45:06  <bolekk> grzybacz: and sending presence means creating a 'Presence' object and adding this <c> tag, yes ?
2007-12-28T21:45:19  <bolekk> grzybacz: and calling a function to send it
2007-12-28T21:46:03  <bolekk> grzybacz: and what about my second question, what are the capabilities of moin bot ?
2007-12-28T22:04:42  <ernestas> xorAxAx: I have finished testing this issue. Here are the results: http://moinmo.in/ErnestasLiubarskij/CannotUpdateCreateDrawingsBug Could you please review them?
2007-12-28T22:05:58  <xorAxAx> ernestas: post the url to the task's comments, i will review them then
2007-12-28T22:06:09  * xorAxAx is still at a conference listening to a talk
2007-12-28T22:06:24  <ernestas> ok
2007-12-28T22:09:23  * cb22 waves hello to everyone from a small country town
2007-12-28T22:10:25  <cb22> its so small theres no 3g, only gprs
2007-12-28T22:12:24  <bolekk> cb22: where are you from ?
2007-12-28T22:12:42  <bolekk> grzybacz: ping
2007-12-28T22:12:58  <ernestas> heh. cb22: in my country 3g is only in the few largest cities...
2007-12-28T22:13:33  <cb22> bolekk: im in south africa, and i live in cape town (a big city) but got dragged to a placed called hermanus :)
2007-12-28T22:14:26  <cb22> ernestas: ouch, unlucky. here 3g coverage is quite good, and 3g can be cheaper then our adsl
2007-12-28T22:14:44  <cb22> whis is rather imba O-o
2007-12-28T22:14:53  <cb22> which*
2007-12-28T22:30:33  <ernestas> good night
2007-12-28T22:52:09  <grzybacz> bolekk: yes, that's right. Create, enrich with <c>, send.
2007-12-28T22:52:26  <grzybacz> bolekk: the capabilities I'm aware of are, well... data forms. :)
2007-12-28T22:56:46  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-12-28T23:00:24  <bolekk> grzybacz: so apart from this session_started(), I should provide another function sending <iq> tag with features yes? or is it already done somewhere else and it's a matter of improvement ?
2007-12-28T23:40:31  <theredmonkey> nabend
2007-12-28T23:45:37  <grzybacz> bolekk: hm
2007-12-28T23:45:41  <theredmonkey> nbye
2007-12-28T23:47:32  <grzybacz> bolekk: yes, the iq is needed to make this part complete
2007-12-28T23:50:12  <bolekk> grzybacz: okay, thanks for your help :)