MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-10

2007-12-10T00:00:06  <ThomasWaldmann> gn
2007-12-10T00:10:36  <dreimark> gn
2007-12-10T00:17:43  <bolekk> it seems that these indentations are defined on purpose by a theme
2007-12-10T00:18:59  <bolekk> I can make use of the class "navibar" for the navibar but then an additional frame is added (in modern stlye)
2007-12-10T00:50:18  * cb22 thinks he should sleep
2007-12-10T00:50:34  <cb22> but i really don't feel like it
2007-12-10T00:50:59  * TheSheep jumps in fron of cb22 
2007-12-10T00:51:09  <TheSheep> *one*
2007-12-10T00:51:18  * TheSheep runs under the bed and jumps again
2007-12-10T00:51:20  <TheSheep> *two*
2007-12-10T00:52:10  <cb22> hhe
2007-12-10T00:52:12  <cb22> hehe*
2007-12-10T00:53:23  <cb22> damn, i cant even laugh properly =)
2007-12-10T00:53:37  <cb22> TheSheep: so what timezone do you reside in?
2007-12-10T00:54:01  <TheSheep> cb22: physically?
2007-12-10T00:54:13  <cb22> heh, yep
2007-12-10T00:54:25  <TheSheep> cb22: CET/Warsaw
2007-12-10T00:55:35  <cb22> hmm, 0:55 for you?
2007-12-10T00:55:41  <TheSheep> yes
2007-12-10T00:55:43  * cb22 glances at his clock, 1:55
2007-12-10T00:56:30  <TheSheep> cb22: fortunatelly it's winder, it stays dark long
2007-12-10T00:56:37  <TheSheep> winter
2007-12-10T00:57:10  <TheSheep> I hate it when I go to sleep and the sun starts shining into my eyes :/
2007-12-10T00:57:22  <cb22> hehe, what time zone is your brain stuck in?
2007-12-10T00:57:37  <TheSheep> cb22: it travels all around the world apparently
2007-12-10T00:57:51  <TheSheep> cb22: as a result I'm always jetlagged
2007-12-10T00:57:59  <cb22> ouch
2007-12-10T00:58:10  <cb22> i just dont really feal like sleeping
2007-12-10T00:58:21  <cb22> but i have nothing better to do, except chat on irc :)
2007-12-10T00:58:22  <TheSheep> read a book
2007-12-10T00:58:31  <TheSheep> in bed
2007-12-10T00:58:45  <TheSheep> get something boring, works every time
2007-12-10T00:59:07  <TheSheep> some adventure book, not something exciting like technical manuals
2007-12-10T01:04:53  <cb22> haha
2007-12-10T01:05:01  <cb22> i have my laptop in bed =)
2007-12-10T01:05:20  <cb22> hmm, so no slashdot reading ? :/
2007-12-10T01:05:23  <ThomasWaldmann> those yellow booklets we read at school always made me sleepy
2007-12-10T01:05:46  <cb22> yellow booklets?
2007-12-10T01:06:10  <veers> The duden? :)
2007-12-10T01:06:53  <veers> that might be boring enough, especially for someone who's not speaking german at all
2007-12-10T01:07:17  <TheSheep> you fall asleep before you finish the first word :D
2007-12-10T01:07:29  <TheSheep> after some 40 or 60 letters
2007-12-10T01:07:43  <ThomasWaldmann> boring german literature (in the german course)
2007-12-10T01:08:35  * ThomasWaldmann preferred physics and chemistry books
2007-12-10T01:09:08  <TheSheep> yeah, real action
2007-12-10T01:09:14  <TheSheep> and interesting plot
2007-12-10T01:09:22  <TheSheep> not to mention developed characters
2007-12-10T01:10:42  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2007-12-10T01:47:19  <veers> Only terrorists read chemistry books!
2007-12-10T01:47:25  <veers> and good night everyone :)
2007-12-10T01:47:26  * cb22 hides
2007-12-10T01:47:30  <cb22> night veers :)
2007-12-10T01:47:37  <cb22> at 2:47
2007-12-10T01:47:43  <cb22> if it were pm now...
2007-12-10T01:48:20  * cb22 decideds to sleep too
2007-12-10T09:59:54  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-10T10:01:50  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-10T10:21:12  <dreimark> I can't access rapidshare from here, can one copy it to somewhere else
2007-12-10T11:04:08  * ThomasWaldmann uploads it to moinmo.in
2007-12-10T11:29:24  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-10T11:35:21  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://static.moinmo.in/files/misc/MoinMoinInstallationOnUbuntu.ogg
2007-12-10T12:22:37  <dreimark> fetching
2007-12-10T12:23:32  * dreimark plays with mplayer
2007-12-10T12:30:21  <dreimark> reviewed and it is good, i do close this issue
2007-12-10T12:34:00  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2424:161715202c24 1.6/MoinMoin/ (userform.py wikiutil.py): fix suid, add action parameter to createTicket, improve checkTicket logging
2007-12-10T12:34:03  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2425:58fd8d223da3 1.6/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merged main
2007-12-10T12:47:51  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: see /tmp on shell
2007-12-10T12:48:52  <dreimark> I reduced the resolution to 320 and compressed audio
2007-12-10T12:57:22  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: 500 - Internal Server Error
2007-12-10T12:57:25  <dreimark> on MM
2007-12-10T13:04:12  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: got a link?
2007-12-10T13:15:52  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: it is already fixed, see above
2007-12-10T13:16:21  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: works for me
2007-12-10T13:17:59  <johill> ok
2007-12-10T13:32:07  <johill> wow, openid 2.0 is approved with attribute exchange
2007-12-10T14:03:42  <ThomasWaldmann> moin ext. you are translating lt?
2007-12-10T14:03:56  <ext> could you please review my questions for study case task? I've written them here: http://moinmo.in/ErnestasLiubarskij/CaseStudy
2007-12-10T14:04:02  <ext> I'd like to, but I'm not
2007-12-10T14:04:03  <ext> :)
2007-12-10T14:04:08  <ext> moin ThomasWaldmann
2007-12-10T14:04:16  <ext> I'm ernestas
2007-12-10T14:05:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, sorry, I confused that.
2007-12-10T14:05:35  <ext> no problem
2007-12-10T14:06:54  <veerz> openid support for moin as ghop task would be cool :)
2007-12-10T14:07:21  <johill> veerz: there is openid support already
2007-12-10T14:08:04  <ThomasWaldmann> ext: that "how long" questions: maybe better ask "since which version" and "which version do you use now".
2007-12-10T14:08:04  <veerz> johill: where? I didn't see any config option or openid login O_o
2007-12-10T14:08:15  <ext> ok
2007-12-10T14:08:48  <johill> veerz: in 1.7
2007-12-10T14:09:13  <veerz> johill: ok that's possible - and attribute exchange is already supported?
2007-12-10T14:09:33  <johill> no, not attribute exchange
2007-12-10T14:09:41  <johill> I have ideas and sample code for that though
2007-12-10T14:09:51  <johill> it's mostly a matter of local policy what AX should do
2007-12-10T14:09:58  <veerz> ok
2007-12-10T14:11:41  <ext> ThomasWaldmann, "Which version of MoinMoin do you use now? Since which version have you been using it?" Is it ok?
2007-12-10T14:11:47  <ThomasWaldmann> ext: 9/10 is rather 1 question about the size of the site
2007-12-10T14:12:14  <ThomasWaldmann> ext: yes (if he/she does not remember, a approximate value in years is also ok)
2007-12-10T14:12:27  <ext> I'll join them. should I ask both of them (9+10)?
2007-12-10T14:12:35  <ext> ok
2007-12-10T14:12:55  <ThomasWaldmann> 1. should not be answered by "editing and viewing" :)
2007-12-10T14:13:30  <ext> I'll try to rephrase ;)
2007-12-10T14:18:52  <ext> "What kind of tasks do you use MoinMoin wiki for?" Is this ok for the 1st one?
2007-12-10T14:20:44  <ext> btw, thanks, it looks much better now.
2007-12-10T14:29:47  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-12-10T14:29:57  <ThomasWaldmann> ok for the first
2007-12-10T14:40:31  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: xorAxAx did you have seen Issue tracker (bugs, duplicates)
2007-12-10T14:40:57  <xorAxAx> dreimark: hmm?
2007-12-10T14:41:10  <dreimark> issue 70 is Closed but should be changed to 'Invalid' status
2007-12-10T14:41:33  <dreimark> the Administrative List
2007-12-10T14:45:14  <xorAxAx> what is 70?
2007-12-10T14:45:38  <dreimark>    Implement a part (1/3) of XEP-0115 (Entity Capabilities) for the notification bot: generation of version string
2007-12-10T14:45:43  <dreimark> 3 days
2007-12-10T14:46:21  <xorAxAx> dreimark: invalid??
2007-12-10T14:46:40  <dreimark> I have no idea why, it is not explained
2007-12-10T14:47:06  <xorAxAx> who says it should be invalid?
2007-12-10T14:47:14  <xorAxAx> the task was completed well
2007-12-10T14:47:51  <dreimark> Paweł Sołyga
2007-12-10T14:48:48  <dreimark> xorAxAx: see query
2007-12-10T14:49:19  <xorAxAx> the url is public ...
2007-12-10T14:49:25  <xorAxAx> http://groups.google.com/group/sockhoppers/browse_thread/thread/faa152bea61516a9
2007-12-10T14:49:28  <xorAxAx> he doesnt say why
2007-12-10T14:50:40  <TheSheep> Status 'Closed' or 'Completed' are used when the particular task has
2007-12-10T14:50:40  <TheSheep> been finished by student if some task is not related to GHOP or can't
2007-12-10T14:50:41  <TheSheep> count into stats please change it's status to 'Invalid'
2007-12-10T14:51:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: do you reply to pawl?
2007-12-10T14:51:34  <xorAxAx> +e
2007-12-10T14:51:47  <xorAxAx> (on the list)
2007-12-10T14:56:58  <dreimark> yes
2007-12-10T15:02:30  <dreimark> xorAxAx: answer Issue 70 and 73 are fine but ClaimedBy value disappeared for them.
2007-12-10T15:02:40  <dreimark> Could you set it back so we know who has been working on this tasks ?
2007-12-10T15:02:48  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i fixed 70 already
2007-12-10T15:03:08  <xorAxAx> 73 is fixed as well
2007-12-10T15:08:12  <dreimark> seen
2007-12-10T15:19:12  <dreimark> commented
2007-12-10T15:38:04  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: wrt the nl po file - maybe he used an older one so you need to update the moinmaster page after he puts it there
2007-12-10T15:38:50  <rafael> hm, strange behavior: i want to test my parser, wrote in a file "{{attachment:hcard.hcf}}" but when i view the page i get a firefox info that i must install additional plugins (Unknown application/octet-stream) and there is displayed just "hcard.hcf" so i can't upload it.
2007-12-10T15:39:15  <rafael> when i attach the file i get the same
2007-12-10T15:59:30  * dreimark sees this behaviour too
2007-12-10T16:30:32  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: maybe moin / python mimetype stdlib code does not know .hcf maybe
2007-12-10T16:30:42  <ThomasWaldmann> so it emits it as app/o-s
2007-12-10T16:31:34  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe you have to extend the known extensions -> mimetype mapping a bit
2007-12-10T16:31:48  <ThomasWaldmann> which is of course a bit hard if there is no real mimetype for that stuff
2007-12-10T16:32:04  <ThomasWaldmann> (remember I suggested starting with vcf? :)
2007-12-10T16:34:29  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: 629 looks rather recent
2007-12-10T16:38:51  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: i started with it :)
2007-12-10T16:41:45  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: isn't there something like a fallback mimetype mapping in the parser possible?
2007-12-10T16:48:08  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, that is app/o-s :)
2007-12-10T16:48:27  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is that the mimetype stuff has no idea what .hcf is
2007-12-10T16:48:47  <ThomasWaldmann> (but you could do some hack for that)
2007-12-10T16:52:08  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: yes, as i said above moin could lookup at last in the parser files for mimetype definitions...
2007-12-10T16:52:57  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: please can you comment on 88 (WikiKurs)
2007-12-10T16:53:45  * dreimark comments on 78
2007-12-10T17:10:56  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: or what else do you mean with "hack"?
2007-12-10T17:11:41  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: moin does an extension to the python stdlib mimetypes, iirc it is in wikiutil, just look there
2007-12-10T17:12:35  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe you could add text/x-hcard (if nobody has a better idea) to be *.hcf
2007-12-10T17:12:46  <ThomasWaldmann> and your parser would be text_x_hcard.py then
2007-12-10T17:14:29  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-10T17:15:16  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: you mean MIMETYPES_sanitize_mapping (line 927 - 933) in wikiutil.py?
2007-12-10T17:15:43  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.6?
2007-12-10T17:16:27  <rafael> yep
2007-12-10T17:16:56  <ThomasWaldmann> MIMETYPES_MORE, some lines above
2007-12-10T17:22:04  <rafael> alright, thanks
2007-12-10T17:56:12  * ThomasWaldmann commented 88
2007-12-10T18:37:54  <xorAxAx> dreimark: please fill out the enddate labels
2007-12-10T18:39:45  * ThomasWaldmann created 93
2007-12-10T18:40:12  <xorAxAx> what is it?
2007-12-10T18:40:41  <ThomasWaldmann> new language translation
2007-12-10T18:40:43  <ninnnu> work on a new translation of MoinMoin (all system texts and a few wiki pages)
2007-12-10T18:40:57  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-12-10T18:40:59  <xorAxAx> hi ninnnu
2007-12-10T18:41:02  <ninnnu> Hi xorAxAx
2007-12-10T18:41:26  <ThomasWaldmann> (we can add a few more of these if it gets claimed)
2007-12-10T18:42:46  <xorAxAx> i think we have too many language tasks currently :)
2007-12-10T18:43:12  <ThomasWaldmann> create more coding ones :)
2007-12-10T18:44:17  <xorAxAx> currently we are rather running out of non-translation-non-coding tasks :)
2007-12-10T18:44:33  <ThomasWaldmann> I think the language tasks work out quite well and are a good job for the non-coders.
2007-12-10T18:45:03  <xorAxAx> yes, but there are a lot of languages in the list that nobody speaks :)
2007-12-10T18:45:09  <xorAxAx> but the new language task is a good idea
2007-12-10T18:45:28  <xorAxAx> so my point is to remove a few unclaimed language tasks if there is no headroom anymore and we have other new tasks
2007-12-10T18:45:29  <ThomasWaldmann> we never had so much activity on moinmaster
2007-12-10T18:46:01  <ThomasWaldmann> we don't need to remove unclaimed language tasks
2007-12-10T18:46:04  <xorAxAx> dont forget that one wants sustainable edits and editors :)
2007-12-10T18:46:10  <ThomasWaldmann> we still are below the limit
2007-12-10T18:46:16  <xorAxAx> "and we have other new tasks
2007-12-10T18:46:48  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: the sustainability is a problem anyway, it is not worse if a student does it
2007-12-10T18:46:57  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe even better
2007-12-10T18:47:14  <xorAxAx> well, its an orthogonal problem
2007-12-10T18:47:33  <xorAxAx> (i.e. what can be done to make it fun even without ghop)
2007-12-10T18:48:31  <ThomasWaldmann> (and if a language is at 99% you easier get another translator than when it is at 0% or 50%
2007-12-10T18:49:00  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-10T18:55:28  <dreimark> we should add some more research, some codeing for feature requests or bug fixing/testing
2007-12-10T18:55:56  <dreimark> and I think we should ask if we can get more than 100 issues
2007-12-10T18:56:54  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: he did not claim it
2007-12-10T18:57:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and /me is not against the rules
2007-12-10T18:57:45  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: he claimed it by specifying the words that are a claim
2007-12-10T18:58:14  <xorAxAx> the rules say that it was claimed iff the words appear in the comment
2007-12-10T18:58:21  <ThomasWaldmann> you can process a if clause?
2007-12-10T18:58:34  <xorAxAx> well, even the if is true :)
2007-12-10T18:58:44  <ThomasWaldmann> 99% true, but not 100
2007-12-10T18:59:55  <ThomasWaldmann> and my explanation was just to save him some days work in case he wants to translate word-by-word
2007-12-10T19:00:32  <xorAxAx> well, thats a pretty pessimistic expectation :)
2007-12-10T19:00:44  <ThomasWaldmann> look at the last try
2007-12-10T19:00:59  <xorAxAx> yes, he was too young/unexperienced
2007-12-10T19:01:03  <xorAxAx> cf. nickanme
2007-12-10T19:01:05  <xorAxAx> nick name
2007-12-10T19:01:41  <ThomasWaldmann> you dont know how old the current student is :)
2007-12-10T19:02:16  <dreimark> i think there was no need to set the claim status immediatly by us
2007-12-10T19:02:50  <ThomasWaldmann> (the last one had done lots of work before failing with part b - and basically gets nothing for it [at least not from google])
2007-12-10T19:03:00  <dreimark> there was an open question by the student and we assume that he likes to translate only the diff
2007-12-10T19:08:31  <dreimark> "If you still want to do it, claim it again and you have it. :)" was not necessary for talking about the task
2007-12-10T19:12:04  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: task 76 end date does not include that +3 days
2007-12-10T19:12:12  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-10T19:12:48  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: let me check
2007-12-10T19:13:31  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: we are at +24 h currently (see leslies mail) and i suggest not to add it to the enddate
2007-12-10T19:13:38  <xorAxAx> in order to reduce confusion
2007-12-10T19:13:49  <xorAxAx> so we can clearly see who is over due and who is not
2007-12-10T19:15:24  <ThomasWaldmann> ok (so the task is due soon, but still some time left to fix in case it needs fixing)
2007-12-10T19:20:23  * rafael has now a working hcard parser
2007-12-10T19:20:40  <rafael> but the code is pretty bad at the moment
2007-12-10T19:23:08  <cb22> moin everyone :)
2007-12-10T19:23:51  <ninnnu> Moin cb22
2007-12-10T19:23:56  <rafael> hiho cb22
2007-12-10T19:24:12  <cb22> screencasts are fun
2007-12-10T19:24:25  <cb22> google rules!
2007-12-10T19:25:19  <rafael> cb22: which program do you use?
2007-12-10T19:27:00  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: if you want some comments, just show us :)
2007-12-10T19:31:38  <rafael> later, i know how i can improve it a bit :D
2007-12-10T19:41:13  <cb22> my mouth hurts :/
2007-12-10T19:42:21  <cb22> my screencast is ~20min, is that fine?
2007-12-10T19:42:36  <cb22> but it shows setting up a full freebsd jail for moinmoin to live in
2007-12-10T20:21:45  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe, sounds nice
2007-12-10T20:34:11  <cb22> rafael, btw the program i used is called camstudio
2007-12-10T20:34:14  <cb22> opensource too
2007-12-10T20:34:27  <cb22> windows though :/ my usb headset's mic doesnt work under linux or freebsd
2007-12-10T20:34:36  <rafael> ah
2007-12-10T20:36:18  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: it can save as swf, please do that :)
2007-12-10T20:36:29  <cb22> hah sure
2007-12-10T20:36:41  <cb22> just editing out little bits
2007-12-10T20:37:43  <ThomasWaldmann> good that we have a server now with unlimited traffic :-)
2007-12-10T21:19:55  <grzywacz> Hm, can I see a preview? :D
2007-12-10T21:24:33  <cb22> hehe
2007-12-10T22:00:19  <dreimark> bb
2007-12-10T22:03:34  <cb22> hmm, i need a way of editing this :/
2007-12-10T22:03:42  <cb22> adobe after effects is kinda, well, unsuitable
2007-12-10T22:06:30  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: hi, you remember my task? maybe you have a sec to look at the latest changes ?
2007-12-10T22:32:26  <dreimark> bolekk: did you see something too: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/ExportDump
2007-12-10T22:35:00  <bolekk> dreimark: no...
2007-12-10T22:35:30  <dreimark> how did you select one page to dump ?
2007-12-10T22:36:46  <bolekk> using --page
2007-12-10T22:39:13  <dreimark> oh, I should know our docs (lets see what the whole dump shows)
2007-12-10T22:39:27  <bolekk>  http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/ExportDump  - I can't see any connection with the dump script, is it an error received after dumping ?
2007-12-10T22:40:31  <dreimark> yep
2007-12-10T22:41:15  <dreimark> I do currently a full damp
2007-12-10T22:41:47  <bolekk> I'll try as well
2007-12-10T22:42:01  <bolekk> but it's quite slow on my machine..
2007-12-10T22:44:00  <dreimark> mine too, but I like small machines for development, you try to be more LEO
2007-12-10T22:44:24  <dreimark> efficient
2007-12-10T22:45:00  <dreimark> iam at Writing "OrphanedPages.html"...
2007-12-10T22:45:06  <bolekk> hmm It writes some "*** Caught exception while writing page!" once in a while
2007-12-10T22:45:49  <bolekk> and I've got this message in error.log
2007-12-10T22:46:23  <dreimark> I do see those too
2007-12-10T22:46:49  <dreimark> later on you get those I posted  on screen
2007-12-10T22:47:42  <bolekk> for example while procesing HelpOnTables , I'll check this particular one
2007-12-10T22:53:42  <bolekk> no idea what it is
2007-12-10T22:53:57  <bolekk> but I'll try to get deeper :)
2007-12-10T22:54:46  <bolekk> are you doing the dump after applying my patch ?
2007-12-10T22:55:00  <dreimark> if you find other traceback please post them
2007-12-10T22:56:05  <dreimark> I did but I am pretty sure those are independent from your patch
2007-12-10T22:56:21  <bolekk> me too
2007-12-10T22:56:54  <bolekk> anyway what do you think about my task now?
2007-12-10T22:56:57  <cb22> anyone know of a good free editor for videos?
2007-12-10T22:57:38  <TheSheep> cb22: good for what?
2007-12-10T22:57:54  <cb22> TheSheep: simple
2007-12-10T22:58:09  <cb22> kinda like virtualdub simple, but with the abilty to do sound editing too
2007-12-10T22:58:26  <cb22> after effects does not like me
2007-12-10T22:58:34  <TheSheep> cb22: I was going to recommend virtualdub XD
2007-12-10T22:58:38  <cb22> and its kinda overkill for screencast editing too :p
2007-12-10T22:59:09  <TheSheep> cb22: dunne, last time I saw it was 3 years ago
2007-12-10T22:59:41  * cb22 does not feel like record 20 minutes again
2007-12-10T22:59:54  <cb22> i would rather spend ~2 hours to edit it
2007-12-10T22:59:57  <cb22> then re record :p
2007-12-10T23:07:03  <bolekk> dreimark: it has something to do with attachments cause when I attached something to another page AND made a link to it I received the same error
2007-12-10T23:15:20  <dreimark> I have currently some problems with my HD
2007-12-10T23:15:51  <dreimark> I will check this error tomorrow
2007-12-10T23:17:25  <bolekk> ok
2007-12-10T23:23:02  <dreimark> cb22: the last screencast was only 7 mins
2007-12-10T23:27:04  <cb22> dreimark, mine includes freebsd stuff :)
2007-12-10T23:27:14  <cb22> ie, setting up a full jail
2007-12-10T23:35:14  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: wtf, no .. flash is no good primary format
2007-12-10T23:35:42  <xorAxAx> but best as a secondary
2007-12-10T23:40:11  <dreimark> cb22: I like to see this :)
2007-12-10T23:40:30  <dreimark> xorAxAx: yeah
2007-12-10T23:44:31  <dreimark> gn
2007-12-10T23:48:52  <xorAxAx> gn dreimark