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2007-12-09T00:00:05  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2411:54d5b8c37c02 1.6/docs/INSTALL.html: make install-docs interwiki
2007-12-09T00:00:06  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2412:2b6a844f4e51 1.6/wiki/underlay.tar.bz2: updated underlay
2007-12-09T00:00:07  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2413:f73f2675e13d 1.6/MoinMoin/i18n/ (5 files): updated i18n
2007-12-09T00:00:10  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2414:7e6e81575129 1.6/docs/CHANGES: updated CHANGES
2007-12-09T00:00:11  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2415:b8980472b0b2 1.6/MoinMoin/script/__init__.py: merged main
2007-12-09T00:09:11  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2416:7da4c11b1888 1.6/MoinMoin/ (i18n/__init__.py user.py userform.py stats/languages.py): stats macro which shows the preferred language distribution of the wiki users (Thanks to Nina Kuisma)
2007-12-09T00:09:12  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2417:86d8abf98f19 1.6/ (8 files in 3 dirs): merged main
2007-12-09T00:10:11  * dreimark comments on 59
2007-12-09T00:31:32  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2418:d7e07829e3f5 1.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): bumped version to 1.6.0rc1, truncated edit-log
2007-12-09T00:31:34  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2419:c10af004a879 1.6/.hgtags: tagged release 1.6.0rc1
2007-12-09T00:31:35  <CIA-27> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2420:b0e94b7d9e5a 1.6/MoinMoin/ (i18n/__init__.py user.py userform.py stats/languages.py): merged main
2007-12-09T00:36:21  * cb22 yawns
2007-12-09T00:37:52  <dreimark> cb22: ?
2007-12-09T00:38:50  <cb22> dreimark: just tired :)
2007-12-09T00:39:01  <cb22> watching star wars at 1:38am
2007-12-09T00:39:40  * dreimark thinks to get some sleep now
2007-12-09T00:40:01  <dreimark> I will continue with packages tomorrow
2007-12-09T00:40:07  <dreimark> gn
2007-12-09T00:40:19  <cb22> good night
2007-12-09T00:40:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: please close the ticket after moinmaster has been edited in the future
2007-12-09T00:41:05  <dreimark> xorAxAx: yeah good point
2007-12-09T00:42:12  <dreimark> gn ;)
2007-12-09T09:42:29  <ernestas> moin
2007-12-09T09:47:35  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-09T10:19:22  <ninnnu> Moin
2007-12-09T11:12:25  <ricardo-fang> Just a small question about my GHOP's issue (#73)... Should i put the report attached to the wiki page, onto the wiki page or on a subpage for keeping it clean?
2007-12-09T11:12:57  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: hmm, a subpage is nice
2007-12-09T11:13:19  <dreimark> below TestInstallDocs
2007-12-09T11:13:20  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: hmm, no, better is some page called InstallationReport
2007-12-09T11:13:30  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-09T11:13:36  <xorAxAx> dreimark: does that page exist already?
2007-12-09T11:13:42  <xorAxAx> then thats the best choice
2007-12-09T11:13:55  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: and then link it from the wiki page
2007-12-09T11:14:29  <ricardo-fang>  /EasyToDo/InstallationReport or simply /InstallationReport ?
2007-12-09T11:14:51  <dreimark> there may be other reports too
2007-12-09T11:16:41  <dreimark> currently i do prefer EasyToDo/TestInstallDocs/InstallationReport
2007-12-09T11:16:50  <dreimark> so we can later move it to the best place
2007-12-09T11:16:54  <xorAxAx> dreimark: nah
2007-12-09T11:16:59  <xorAxAx> that conflicts with the importer
2007-12-09T11:17:09  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: /InstallationReport is fine
2007-12-09T11:17:13  <dreimark> good
2007-12-09T11:17:45  <ricardo-fang> Okay, thanks for the information :)
2007-12-09T11:32:02  <dreimark> cb22: hi
2007-12-09T11:32:20  <dreimark> please move from MoinMoin.action.PackagePages import PackagePages
2007-12-09T11:32:40  <dreimark> just before the line were it is first called
2007-12-09T11:32:59  <dreimark> because then request is initiliazed
2007-12-09T11:33:32  <dreimark> please add a comment for the reason too
2007-12-09T11:33:44  <dreimark> and
2007-12-09T11:34:30  <dreimark> everytime I call the moin package command an attachments dir is created below wiki/data/pages
2007-12-09T11:34:46  <dreimark> this does not happen using the web interface
2007-12-09T11:45:55  <cb22> dreimark: ie, move it just below the comment # Perform actual packaging.?
2007-12-09T11:46:23  <dreimark> above
2007-12-09T11:46:44  <dreimark> this line
2007-12-09T11:49:21  <cb22> hmm? which line?
2007-12-09T11:50:20  <dreimark> # Perform actual packaging
2007-12-09T11:52:17  <dreimark> cb22: we may want to fix it later on as described here MoinMoinBugs/cli_no_lang
2007-12-09T11:53:30  <dreimark> it takes time to check all other scripts. currently it is easier to change it in a new one
2007-12-09T11:53:47  <cb22> right, gotcha
2007-12-09T11:56:30  <dreimark> I have added already a ToDo to the main script http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/rev/d32153d7ba6a
2007-12-09T11:57:24  <rafael> xorAxAx: an idea to my problem yesterday evening? if i want to output it as table, i must write a hcard parser because there's no existing
2007-12-09T11:57:54  <dreimark> Hi, is the one from issue 47 here ?
2007-12-09T11:58:19  <xorAxAx> rafael: well, how is the problem hcard specific?
2007-12-09T11:58:49  <rafael> xorAxAx: what do you mean with "problem"?
2007-12-09T11:58:59  <xorAxAx> dreimark: can you review 4?
2007-12-09T11:59:09  <xorAxAx> rafael: the same one that you mean
2007-12-09T11:59:48  <rafael> xorAxAx: eh, sorry.. i don't really understand what you mean
2007-12-09T12:00:43  <dreimark> xorAxAx: your comment is the last one on issue 4
2007-12-09T12:01:59  <xorAxAx> rafael: then describe your problem again
2007-12-09T12:02:16  <xorAxAx> indeed, dreimark
2007-12-09T12:03:14  <rafael> xorAxAx: i don't know how to output hcard data, there are two possibilities: output is with all the stuff around or parse it and only print key, type and value in a table. but for this i must write a hcard parser because there's no existing one out there
2007-12-09T12:04:18  <xorAxAx> rafael: why do you want to display hcard anyway?
2007-12-09T12:05:24  <rafael> xorAxAx: there are not so strict limitations. but you think the table sulution is better?
2007-12-09T12:05:34  <cb22> dreimark: like http://paste.pocoo.org/show/14666/
2007-12-09T12:06:08  <dreimark> rafael: http://phildawes.net/microformats/
2007-12-09T12:06:36  <xorAxAx> rafael: no, my question is whether it makes sense to support hcards at all
2007-12-09T12:07:58  <rafael> dreimark: looks interesting, thanks
2007-12-09T12:08:18  <dreimark> cb22: :)
2007-12-09T12:10:00  <rafael> so this is 7.2 KB big, can i make it an dependency?
2007-12-09T12:10:05  <cb22> dreimark: in that case cool :) i've fixed the other issue too, (randomly creating attachments)
2007-12-09T12:10:17  <cb22> the folder that is
2007-12-09T12:10:26  <dreimark> what was the reason?
2007-12-09T12:10:30  <xorAxAx> rafael: it seems dead
2007-12-09T12:10:51  <cb22> dreimark: just some old code i forgot to remove in collectpackage
2007-12-09T12:10:55  <xorAxAx> rafael: so one has to check how good the code is
2007-12-09T12:11:06  * xorAxAx is gone jogging
2007-12-09T12:11:10  <cb22> specifically, attach_dir = Page(self.request, self.page.page_name).getPagePath("attachments", check_create=1)
2007-12-09T12:11:19  <dreimark> ahh
2007-12-09T12:13:52  <cb22> ok, patch up
2007-12-09T12:15:38  * dreimark tests issue 60
2007-12-09T12:19:10  <ninnnu> dreimark: About #59... Where I should add the Languages-stats-description in MoinMaster? (I created an account there)
2007-12-09T12:20:58  <rafael> xorAxAx: code looks pretty nice (see unittests file in the tarball)
2007-12-09T12:22:04  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-12-09T12:22:58  <dreimark> ninnnu: HelpOnMacros,  EventStats and see your stats macro on EventStats/Languages
2007-12-09T12:23:33  <dreimark> and please search for other places
2007-12-09T12:23:34  <ninnnu> ok
2007-12-09T12:30:06  * rafael has an idea/feature request for moin
2007-12-09T12:30:50  <rafael> the subpages from EventStats could be with diagrams - the new google chart api is nice for this (http://code.google.com/apis/chart/)
2007-12-09T12:34:20  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: no way
2007-12-09T12:34:41  <rafael> ThomasWaldmann: why?
2007-12-09T12:35:24  <ThomasWaldmann> that mean accessing google for every chart we show
2007-12-09T12:35:48  <ThomasWaldmann> moin can operate disconnected from the internet
2007-12-09T12:36:02  <rafael> oh yes, forgot that :/
2007-12-09T12:36:46  <ThomasWaldmann> but I would be happy if someone would rewrite that stats/charting stuff with some better lib than gdchart
2007-12-09T12:42:18  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(finding a better lib could be a ghop research task)
2007-12-09T12:45:11  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-09T12:46:03  <rafael> there is gdchart2 out for python (oo version)
2007-12-09T12:47:38  <ThomasWaldmann> as i dont use such libs usually, it is not clear for me what's the best for us
2007-12-09T12:48:05  <ThomasWaldmann> in any case, it must support unicode and it must not introduce a hell of dependencies
2007-12-09T12:51:13  * ThomasWaldmann checks issue 4
2007-12-09T13:06:10  <ricardo-fang> http://moinmo.in/InstallationReport --> I think it's done, should i leave a comment with a link to it on /EasyToDo/TestInstallDocs "discussion" section ?
2007-12-09T13:12:51  <ernestas> ricardo-fang, it's thorough, you made a nice report, I think so
2007-12-09T13:14:16  <cb22> lol, weird, only now i just got that moinmo.in == moinmoin
2007-12-09T13:14:23  <ricardo-fang> ernestas thanks a lot ^^
2007-12-09T13:14:39  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: |-)
2007-12-09T13:14:39  <ernestas> cb22, yeah, I didn't understand that at the beginning too ;)
2007-12-09T13:15:01  <ernestas> and that was like "wow" when I got it
2007-12-09T13:15:28  <cb22> gaga same
2007-12-09T13:15:32  <ThomasWaldmann> it's not because we are based in india :)
2007-12-09T13:15:32  <cb22> haha*
2007-12-09T13:15:42  <cb22> ricardo-fang: nice docs indeed :)
2007-12-09T13:19:24  <dreimark> cb22: you can add your copyright to test_packages :)
2007-12-09T13:19:41  <dreimark> and if working on that please remove all this blanks on eol
2007-12-09T13:21:11  <cb22> eof?
2007-12-09T13:21:18  <dreimark> ond of line
2007-12-09T13:21:56  <cb22> hmm, there were like 3 blank lines atthe end of the file?
2007-12-09T13:22:42  <dreimark> lines:  95, 101, 106, 107, 112
2007-12-09T13:22:54  <cb22> ah, yes, gotcha
2007-12-09T13:24:42  <ricardo-fang> whoa... liked the captcha/textcha idea... yet i didnt know one of the answers xD (still, im not a bot)
2007-12-09T13:26:21  <dreimark> bbl ~ 15mins
2007-12-09T13:26:51  <cb22> dreimark: ok, it has been pep8'ificed
2007-12-09T13:31:17  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: yes, a link there please :)
2007-12-09T13:31:24  <xorAxAx> ricardo-fang: wikis die if they dont have enough links
2007-12-09T13:38:43  <ThomasWaldmann> ricardo-fang: most stuff can be easily found out on the wiki :) or ask.
2007-12-09T13:39:57  <ninnnu> Ummh... EventStats says "...are based on data contained in event log"... Languages' chart doesn't base on event log's data...
2007-12-09T13:41:26  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: then you should make a macro of it :)
2007-12-09T13:41:29  * xorAxAx handles 73
2007-12-09T13:42:25  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: Or just ignore that fact... That Issue is already closed :P
2007-12-09T13:44:22  <xorAxAx> hehe, yes :)
2007-12-09T13:44:50  <xorAxAx> nevertheless its not like you would need to change a lot (remove two lines and change one)
2007-12-09T13:45:19  * cb22 thinks of doing issue #80 next if #60 is OK
2007-12-09T13:45:52  <ninnnu> Yeah... But who really cares where the data is from...
2007-12-09T13:45:58  <cb22> something non code related :)
2007-12-09T13:46:12  <dreimark> ninnnu: or add an and clause. (may be later this page gots splitted in Stats/Events )
2007-12-09T13:46:23  <dreimark> Stats/user
2007-12-09T13:46:27  <dreimark> etc.
2007-12-09T13:46:33  <dreimark> it is a wiki you know
2007-12-09T13:46:41  <dreimark> but not before 1.6 released
2007-12-09T13:51:58  <ninnnu> http://master.moinmo.in/EventStats Is this ok?
2007-12-09T13:55:58  <dreimark> fine with me
2007-12-09T13:57:31  <ninnnu> I just noticed that MoinMaster:EventStats/Languages is missing the %-characters after the percentages... They show up in my sandbox anyway... Weird
2007-12-09T13:59:39  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: then it is broken
2007-12-09T13:59:49  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: But from where?
2007-12-09T14:00:11  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: are you doing "%i % (%i)" % (...)?
2007-12-09T14:00:17  <xorAxAx> or how does the line look like?
2007-12-09T14:02:53  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2421:1f10d35d838c 1.6/MoinMoin/ (action/PackagePages.py script/export/package.py): refactored action.PackagePages for CloneWikiPagesByPackagePages (Thanks to Federico Lorenzi)
2007-12-09T14:02:53  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2422:e2f7f07937e6 1.6/MoinMoin/_tests/test_packages.py: test_packages: further tests for PackagePages (Thanks to Federico Lorenzi)
2007-12-09T14:03:07  <ninnnu> "%(percent).2f (%(count)s)"...
2007-12-09T14:03:21  <ninnnu> ...and it's missing also in my sandbox...Dang
2007-12-09T14:03:44  * dreimark comments on 60
2007-12-09T14:06:04  <dreimark> cb22: please add documentations on master
2007-12-09T14:06:45  <cb22> dreimark: :)
2007-12-09T14:06:47  <cb22> sure
2007-12-09T14:11:38  <cb22> hmm, how do i add myself to a group?
2007-12-09T14:12:33  <dreimark> read http://moinmo.in/EditingOnMoinMaster
2007-12-09T14:13:32  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we should stop adding new code to 1.6 until after the release, except for bug fixes and other important stuff
2007-12-09T14:13:33  <dreimark> ninnnu: I thought it is wanted that way because of the column title
2007-12-09T14:15:05  <ThomasWaldmann> (commit it to 1.7 and maybe mark it as backport to 1.6.1 if it is important)
2007-12-09T14:15:27  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i think this is important for 1.6 too
2007-12-09T14:16:38  <dreimark> I add the others as suggested
2007-12-09T14:17:59  <dreimark> We should gave a note to the issue list too
2007-12-09T14:18:36  <ThomasWaldmann> what note?
2007-12-09T14:18:41  <cb22> dreimark, is there a good page that i could use as a starting point?
2007-12-09T14:19:07  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: maybe change the details on the tracker, IIRC it says all pages to be made against 1.6
2007-12-09T14:19:21  <cb22> patches*
2007-12-09T14:20:29  <ThomasWaldmann> ricardo-fang: the tarball issue is because you did not use a release archive. in the release archive, the underlay template dir is directly usable.
2007-12-09T14:20:29  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2007-12-09T14:21:04  <dreimark> cb22: describe it in the HelpOnMoinCommand
2007-12-09T14:21:14  <dreimark> and add some example calls
2007-12-09T14:21:42  <rafael> should i put this hcard parser in the text_hcard.py ? because it isn't so big
2007-12-09T14:22:22  <cb22> hmm, what happened to me?
2007-12-09T14:22:48  <dreimark> cb22: ?
2007-12-09T14:23:04  <ThomasWaldmann> (14:21) -!- cb22 [n=federico@cb22.za.net] has quit ["Changing server"]
2007-12-09T14:23:05  <cb22> freenode seems to be under attack lately
2007-12-09T14:23:10  <cb22> weird
2007-12-09T14:23:21  <cb22> irssi showed i was disconnected
2007-12-09T14:24:22  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: it is no big problem if the patch is for 1.6, it should just not get committed now for non-urgent stuff.
2007-12-09T14:25:02  <dreimark> I wanted to commit it yesterday but it wasn't that ready to do it
2007-12-09T14:25:38  <dreimark> and I think it is quit important for explaining how people could use Desktopedition
2007-12-09T14:25:54  <dreimark> and installing a predefined wiki on a public side
2007-12-09T14:26:03  <dreimark> It is a very good addon to DE
2007-12-09T14:28:38  <cb22> dreimark, hmm, you didnt add the package.py script?
2007-12-09T14:29:05  <xorAxAx> dreimark: what? the script? not really, wikisync is much easier/powerful
2007-12-09T14:31:48  <dreimark> cb22: what is missing http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/rev/1f10d35d838c
2007-12-09T14:32:31  <ninnnu> dreimark: I think that if there is percentages, there should also be the %
2007-12-09T14:32:51  <cb22> dreimark: ah sorry
2007-12-09T14:32:55  <cb22> didnt see the second part
2007-12-09T14:36:19  <dreimark> xorAxAx:wikisync is more powerful but it has a dependency of two servers timeouts
2007-12-09T14:36:36  <xorAxAx> "dependency of two servers timeouts"?
2007-12-09T14:36:44  <dreimark> the 50 secs timeout
2007-12-09T14:37:19  <xorAxAx> i dont understand
2007-12-09T14:38:13  <dreimark> you get a timeout if an action takes to long
2007-12-09T14:38:22  <dreimark> to much time
2007-12-09T14:39:57  <xorAxAx> moin doesnt have any timeouts
2007-12-09T14:40:12  <dreimark> moin not but webservers
2007-12-09T14:42:39  <xorAxAx> and i havent seen a webserver with a 50 sec. timeout
2007-12-09T14:43:02  <dreimark> default in suse
2007-12-09T14:43:06  <xorAxAx> ah
2007-12-09T14:43:22  <xorAxAx> and i dont see how wikisync is limited by a server timeout because you usally initiate it from your mmde
2007-12-09T14:43:28  <xorAxAx> and that one doesnt have a timeout
2007-12-09T14:46:01  <dreimark> yeah, thats right
2007-12-09T14:47:50  <dreimark> an other difference is that you need only to be superuser and don't need to enable xmlrpc
2007-12-09T14:48:05  <xorAxAx> "only"?
2007-12-09T14:48:16  <xorAxAx> with wikisync, you dont need to be superuser at all :)
2007-12-09T14:48:38  <dreimark> yeah, that is why I like both implementations
2007-12-09T14:48:53  <xorAxAx> and disabling xmlrpc is bonkers anyway ...
2007-12-09T14:49:53  <dreimark> hmm, I think I will agree to this at the time we have versions from attachments
2007-12-09T14:50:06  <dreimark> or wikis without attachments
2007-12-09T14:50:42  <xorAxAx> yeah, delattachments is harmful but the same is true without xmlrpc as well
2007-12-09T14:52:54  <dreimark> I know different kind of scripting
2007-12-09T14:53:13  <dreimark> not MM based
2007-12-09T14:55:11  <dreimark> and if you use acls clever you can open it anyway
2007-12-09T14:56:12  <xorAxAx> as far as i know, there hasnt been an xmlrpc attack yet but you can see the http driven spam attacks nearly daily
2007-12-09T14:56:29  <xorAxAx> so its a bit off the hook to think that it is more harmful
2007-12-09T14:56:51  <dreimark> in the past the xmlrpc attach on MM was quite impossible because of the different auth
2007-12-09T14:56:58  * ninnnu submitted the %-diff to #59, even though it's already closed...
2007-12-09T14:57:20  <dreimark> a/attach/attack
2007-12-09T14:58:37  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: yeah, dreimark should handle it
2007-12-09T14:58:54  <dreimark> will do
2007-12-09T15:00:01  <TheSheep> you should add captcha to xmlrpc XD
2007-12-09T15:01:04  <dreimark> rafael: I think it is better to add it to contrib
2007-12-09T15:01:31  <rafael> dreimark: the parser, too?
2007-12-09T15:01:57  <dreimark> only the 3rd party code
2007-12-09T15:02:25  <dreimark> xorAxAx: or what is your opinion ?
2007-12-09T15:03:47  <xorAxAx> dreimark: moin has the support package for that
2007-12-09T15:04:36  <dreimark> thanks, can you continue with rafael's issue
2007-12-09T15:04:41  <dreimark> ?
2007-12-09T15:05:39  <xorAxAx> which issue?
2007-12-09T15:07:27  <dreimark> 58, the hcard/vcard one
2007-12-09T15:10:14  <xorAxAx> ?
2007-12-09T15:10:19  <xorAxAx> there is no outstanding issue i mean
2007-12-09T15:10:51  <dreimark> right, questions and so on.
2007-12-09T15:15:14  <dreimark> ninnnu: how to say "it looks a bit redundant now to see as column header only a unit"
2007-12-09T15:18:05  <dreimark> should we use "matches" ? or do you see an other translated qualified word?
2007-12-09T15:18:16  <ninnnu> But I think it's clearer that way... Though apparently it's that %-less way also in UserAgents. Dunno, probably that patch isn't needed
2007-12-09T15:21:19  <dreimark> ninnnu: I think I leave it as it is now or add it later to 1.7 (need to change the others too)
2007-12-09T15:21:49  <dreimark> and thank you for helping with that patch
2007-12-09T15:21:56  <ninnnu> np
2007-12-09T15:23:39  <ThomasWaldmann> "usage"
2007-12-09T15:25:40  <dreimark> yeah that one needs translations
2007-12-09T15:26:17  <ThomasWaldmann> without is also ok in that case as it is rather obvious
2007-12-09T15:27:41  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-12-09T15:28:24  <dreimark> me too
2007-12-09T15:28:32  <xorAxAx> dreimark: you dont want to fix the percent issue?
2007-12-09T15:29:55  <dreimark> xorAxAx: I'm double-minded yes but then everywhere and then usage as column description which means translation work
2007-12-09T15:30:32  <xorAxAx> dreimark: this is the only macro that displays the percentage and the absolute value in one column, right?
2007-12-09T15:31:35  <dreimark> xorAxAx: thats a winning argument
2007-12-09T15:32:17  <dreimark> the column renaming will be moved towards 1.7
2007-12-09T15:32:24  <dreimark> ok ?
2007-12-09T15:33:04  <xorAxAx> well, i dont care, just not having a percentage sign is confusing
2007-12-09T15:34:15  <cb22> dreimark, do you have a good example for me to base the docs off?
2007-12-09T15:35:11  <dreimark> cb22: http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinCommand
2007-12-09T15:35:28  <cb22> thanks
2007-12-09T15:45:30  <cb22> dreimark: ok, done
2007-12-09T15:46:00  <cb22> http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinCommand#head-95e9d8aa5de47c96f730e8caf1db4fe873f8e12f
2007-12-09T15:49:10  <dreimark> ninnnu: xorAxAx I will add the patch (but a bit changed) I dislike the idea to use as placeholer a '%'
2007-12-09T15:49:22  <xorAxAx> ???
2007-12-09T15:49:48  <dreimark> anguages.addRow((browserlang, "%(percent).2f%(%)s (%(count)s)" % {
2007-12-09T15:50:42  <ninnnu> dreimark: Feel free to do what you want... It's GNU/GPL afterall. :P
2007-12-09T15:50:58  <ninnnu> And we're developing a wiki ;)
2007-12-09T15:52:35  <dreimark> cb22: :)
2007-12-09T15:53:02  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, thats broken
2007-12-09T15:53:05  <xorAxAx> %% is correct
2007-12-09T15:53:35  <ninnnu> I tried \% or something similar, but it failed... Forgot that one (I don't use formatted strings so often...) :P
2007-12-09T15:55:11  * dreimark comments on 60
2007-12-09T16:01:53  <dreimark> ninnnu: ok, will change it later - currently no rain here, so I like to go into town for an hour or so
2007-12-09T16:02:56  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-09T18:36:53  <dreimark> bb
2007-12-09T19:07:20  <ernestas> I'd like to know one thing. Are you going to stay in contact with GHOP students after GHOP is finished and maybe suggest them some more volunteer tasks? Or is this just temporary work?
2007-12-09T19:09:34  <xorAxAx> ernestas: its very hard for us to actively maintain the contact ... nevertheless it would be best if they stayed in contact with us on their own :)
2007-12-09T19:09:56  <xorAxAx> ernestas: so if you like it and feel that you can learn etc. something, you will likely comeback
2007-12-09T19:10:18  <ernestas> ok, understood
2007-12-09T19:26:07  <xorAxAx> and the easiest way doing so is visiting the irc channel like you are currently doing :)
2007-12-09T19:29:40  <dreimark> ernestas: it may be different after GHOP work because you may have own ideas
2007-12-09T19:29:53  <dreimark> and do like to know how to solve it
2007-12-09T20:01:29  <dreimark> can one test superuser please
2007-12-09T20:29:46  <grzywacz> re
2007-12-09T20:30:18  <xorAxAx> moin grzywacz
2007-12-09T20:30:49  <grzywacz> hi xorAxAx
2007-12-09T20:31:43  <grzywacz> Ok, I'll commit the issue #70 patch.
2007-12-09T20:32:08  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-12-09T20:35:57  <starGaming> hi grzywacz :)
2007-12-09T20:45:13  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I can't su to an other user
2007-12-09T20:45:41  <dreimark> print self.request.session and wikiutil.checkTicket(self.request, self.request.form['ticket'][0])
2007-12-09T20:45:50  <dreimark> is false
2007-12-09T20:49:27  <grzywacz> hello starGaming :)
2007-12-09T20:49:35  <dreimark> in userform.py below # Select user profile (su user) -
2007-12-09T20:49:58  <starGaming> Everything was okay with my patch?
2007-12-09T20:55:12  <grzywacz> starGaming, seems so. I've just returned, so I'll take a final look at it before commiting it.
2007-12-09T20:56:59  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: johill http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/rev/19e3af7cabcd
2007-12-09T20:57:45  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-09T21:22:09  <bolekk> hello, can anybody help me with some issue in MoinDump ?
2007-12-09T21:24:51  <xorAxAx> hi bolekk
2007-12-09T21:25:10  <bolekk> hi :)
2007-12-09T21:27:51  <xorAxAx> just ask
2007-12-09T21:28:52  <bolekk> I'm doing a task from the google HOP and I have to change the MoinDump script so as to copy the theme-dependent css files to the dumped pages directory
2007-12-09T21:29:13  <grzywacz> stupid isp...
2007-12-09T21:29:35  <bolekk> and I don't know how to get the path to where those files are located
2007-12-09T21:30:50  <bolekk> like for example "/usr/share/moin/htdocs"
2007-12-09T21:31:31  <xorAxAx> bolekk: well, thats not your task :)
2007-12-09T21:31:37  <bolekk> can I access it by for example request.cfg.(something)
2007-12-09T21:31:38  <bolekk> ?
2007-12-09T21:31:39  <xorAxAx> just ignore this copying part
2007-12-09T21:31:55  <xorAxAx> your task is to fix the headline of the generated pages
2007-12-09T21:33:38  <bolekk> ok, so I moved it above the navibar and changed <h1> tags into <a> tags , is this everything ?
2007-12-09T21:34:14  <xorAxAx> can you manually copy the css files locally and make a screenshot?
2007-12-09T21:35:48  <bolekk> yes, I've done it already , I can attach screenshots form different themes in the discussion under the tsk on google pages all right ?
2007-12-09T21:37:20  <xorAxAx> i think modern is enough
2007-12-09T21:37:26  <bolekk> ok
2007-12-09T21:37:44  <xorAxAx> bolekk: i mean using the newest changes
2007-12-09T21:37:48  <xorAxAx> i know your old screenshot
2007-12-09T21:39:31  <bolekk> ok, it is quite different with the css files present
2007-12-09T21:45:37  <bolekk> done, you can check it on the google page
2007-12-09T21:49:40  <xorAxAx> i think thats fine
2007-12-09T21:52:24  <bolekk> I think so, but is it problematic to copy these css files in dump.py ?
2007-12-09T21:52:49  <xorAxAx> its not possible :)
2007-12-09T21:53:21  <bolekk> really ? why ?
2007-12-09T21:53:25  <xorAxAx> because there is no canonical path (even though setup.py creates one but not all users used that for installing)
2007-12-09T21:54:01  <bolekk> I see...
2007-12-09T21:56:31  <bolekk> thanks for your help
2007-12-09T21:56:53  <bolekk> is it everything as for my GHOP task ?
2007-12-09T21:56:59  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-09T21:58:04  <bolekk> thanks, I'll go and find another one :)
2007-12-09T21:59:36  <xorAxAx> you may claim it once i closed the current task
2007-12-09T22:14:05  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-12-09T22:19:43  <cb22> say, is 800x600 fine resolution for my screencast?
2007-12-09T22:21:22  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-09T22:30:22  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: did you already push the students patch?
2007-12-09T22:30:32  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: are you doing the 2nd screencast task?
2007-12-09T22:30:36  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, nope.
2007-12-09T22:30:40  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: yep
2007-12-09T22:30:57  <ThomasWaldmann> can you use some other file format than the 1st?
2007-12-09T22:31:01  <cb22> sure :)
2007-12-09T22:31:04  <ThomasWaldmann> like flash?
2007-12-09T22:31:11  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: hey!
2007-12-09T22:31:14  <cb22> yeah, i can transcode it to flv
2007-12-09T22:31:16  <blinx> ogg theora
2007-12-09T22:31:25  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: flash is not the best
2007-12-09T22:31:33  <cb22> but i will still put it up as theora :)
2007-12-09T22:31:34  <dreimark> bb
2007-12-09T22:31:36  <cb22> open formats ftw
2007-12-09T22:31:38  <blinx> :)
2007-12-09T22:31:43  <blinx> cb22: nice
2007-12-09T22:32:28  <ThomasWaldmann> blinx: it is not the question what is the best, but what works for many users without hassle
2007-12-09T22:32:34  <xorAxAx> gah, not flv as a primary format please
2007-12-09T22:32:35  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: sure
2007-12-09T22:32:48  <cb22> xorAxAx: transcode :)
2007-12-09T22:32:49  <blinx> ThomasWaldmann: flash AND theora would be ok
2007-12-09T22:32:52  * dreimark like irssi 
2007-12-09T22:33:03  * blinx too
2007-12-09T22:33:05  <xorAxAx> cb22: yes, it can be easily transcoded to flv of course
2007-12-09T22:33:11  <cb22> dreimark: indeed, screen + irssi == best
2007-12-09T22:33:12  <blinx> good night :)
2007-12-09T22:33:18  <cb22> night blinx
2007-12-09T22:33:59  <dreimark> gn blinx
2007-12-09T22:34:53  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: are you able to su to an other user in preferences ?
2007-12-09T22:35:41  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: on moinmo.in wiki?
2007-12-09T22:35:59  <dreimark> i have tried it standalone
2007-12-09T22:37:13  <ThomasWaldmann> no, doesnt work
2007-12-09T22:38:06  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it is since the session changes
2007-12-09T22:39:27  <grzywacz> py.test behaves strangely in current 1.7 tree on my computer...
2007-12-09T22:39:44  <dreimark> I have no idea currently too when it gots broken
2007-12-09T22:40:39  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> default * 2958:6eebb112108b 1.7/ (3 files in 3 dirs): GHOP: 1st part of XEP-115 (Entity Capabilities) implementation by starGaming
2007-12-09T22:40:43  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> default * 2959:fcfa07f447f5 1.7/jabberbot/_tests/test_capat.py: Fix an import in test.
2007-12-09T22:41:10  <dreimark> sometimes I get a KeyError error from the ticket
2007-12-09T22:41:33  <dreimark> self.request.form['ticket'][0]
2007-12-09T22:41:59  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: what do you mean by strangely?
2007-12-09T22:42:35  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I get tons of "224311 INFO     logging initialized" messages ;s
2007-12-09T22:44:14  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: pretty useless message
2007-12-09T22:44:23  <xorAxAx> even outside of tests
2007-12-09T22:44:39  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, my screens gets flooded with it
2007-12-09T22:44:40  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-12-09T22:47:12  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: can you look at the su problem?
2007-12-09T22:48:10  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: I will reduce loglevel for the 1.6 release to INFO
2007-12-09T22:48:19  <xorAxAx> that was an INFO
2007-12-09T22:48:38  <ThomasWaldmann> but in general, we maybe should use some slightly different approach
2007-12-09T22:48:52  <xorAxAx> yes, generate less useless messages :)
2007-12-09T22:48:54  <ThomasWaldmann> currently many calls are logging.debug(...)
2007-12-09T22:49:49  <ThomasWaldmann> but maybe it should rather be more variable, because even if you do debugging, you don't debug all at once
2007-12-09T22:50:24  <xorAxAx> usually you avoid such issues by introducing modules
2007-12-09T22:50:30  <xorAxAx> then you can turn on certain modules
2007-12-09T22:50:34  <xorAxAx> and others off
2007-12-09T22:50:49  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, something like that
2007-12-09T22:51:17  <grzywacz> x)
2007-12-09T22:51:34  <ThomasWaldmann> (we can do some refactoring, but better wait until we forward ported all stuff from 1.6 to 1.7)
2007-12-09T22:59:38  <xorAxAx> wow, py 3k will have backward file iteration
2007-12-09T22:59:49  <xorAxAx> then moin can drop its seeking code :)
2007-12-09T23:00:40  <ThomasWaldmann> hey, good news :D
2007-12-09T23:01:07  <ThomasWaldmann> (if we still have it in some years)
2007-12-09T23:01:14  <grzywacz> woot
2007-12-09T23:01:52  <TheSheep> what are backward files and why would you like to iterate them? %)
2007-12-09T23:02:25  <xorAxAx> TheSheep: you want to iterate lines of a file reversedly
2007-12-09T23:02:40  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: ah, logs
2007-12-09T23:03:03  <grzywacz> yes
2007-12-09T23:03:59  <bolekk> xorAxAx: can you close my task so that i can claim another one ?
2007-12-09T23:04:07  <xorAxAx> bolekk: no, i am busy
2007-12-09T23:04:12  <xorAxAx> bolekk: but maybe ThomasWaldmann can
2007-12-09T23:04:26  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: #?
2007-12-09T23:04:39  <bolekk> 44
2007-12-09T23:08:40  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: page name and stuff below it is not aligned
2007-12-09T23:09:18  <ThomasWaldmann> and the chars even touch although there is lots of space
2007-12-09T23:11:38  <bolekk> this is bacause i copied the html from original page
2007-12-09T23:11:50  <ThomasWaldmann> (and it's not wikipedia X)
2007-12-09T23:11:54  <bolekk> I'll change it
2007-12-09T23:12:21  <bolekk> that's just a "sample" logo :p
2007-12-09T23:12:53  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you also see "spurious interrupt" messages in the syslog of the hetzner machine?
2007-12-09T23:13:22  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: also do some test with a subpage
2007-12-09T23:13:35  <ThomasWaldmann> irq7?
2007-12-09T23:14:28  <xorAxAx> no idea which line, but its the sata controller
2007-12-09T23:16:12  <ThomasWaldmann> no. not yet
2007-12-09T23:16:46  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it a different mainboard than you have
2007-12-09T23:21:25  <grzywacz> spurious interrupt on irq 7 is harmless, afair
2007-12-09T23:22:07  <ThomasWaldmann> it is
2007-12-09T23:22:23  <ThomasWaldmann> not sure about the sata ctlr, though
2007-12-09T23:24:21  <grzywacz> night
2007-12-09T23:27:05  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2423:5d97545ff5a6 1.6/MoinMoin/stats/languages.py: stats.languages: small fix (Thanks to Nina Kuisma)
2007-12-09T23:30:40  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: your first name is nina? cool
2007-12-09T23:34:24  <dreimark> xorAxAx: are you surprised ?
2007-12-09T23:39:17  <ThomasWaldmann> "Are there any women here today?"
2007-12-09T23:39:29  <xorAxAx> dreimark: no, i appreciate women in opensource
2007-12-09T23:39:37  <xorAxAx> and i think that there are still too few
2007-12-09T23:39:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (citing "Life of Brian")
2007-12-09T23:41:03  <bolekk> ThomasWaldmann: can you take a look at that task now ? (subpages are working)
2007-12-09T23:45:14  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: now the page name has a smaller size
2007-12-09T23:45:29  <ThomasWaldmann> and the &nbsp; is a rather dirty fix for alignment
2007-12-09T23:46:08  <bolekk> yes, but with a long page name that previous size becomes really wide
2007-12-09T23:46:39  <bolekk> and the &nbsp; is used below in the construction of the NaviBar so maybe i'll remove it from there :)
2007-12-09T23:47:05  <dreimark> bolekk: you still use the wring icon
2007-12-09T23:47:08  <dreimark> wrong
2007-12-09T23:47:35  <bolekk> you mean the wikipedia one ?
2007-12-09T23:47:39  <dreimark> yes
2007-12-09T23:47:49  <bolekk> ok i'll change it
2007-12-09T23:48:05  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: if you don't use a bigger size than on the usual theme, this is no problem
2007-12-09T23:50:13  <ThomasWaldmann> bolekk: btw, what happens if you click on the pagename?
2007-12-09T23:50:52  <bolekk> it's not clickable
2007-12-09T23:52:33  <bolekk> I only use <a> tag because it has css definitions appropriate for the pagr title
2007-12-09T23:54:51  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2007-12-09T23:59:24  <xorAxAx> good night