MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-07

2007-12-07T00:01:30  <cb22> yeah, good idea
2007-12-07T00:06:39  <cb22> ccan one assume FrontPage to always exist?
2007-12-07T00:10:12  <grzywacz> That would be my guess, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe create a page for the test?
2007-12-07T00:10:21  <grzywacz> (dynamically)
2007-12-07T00:10:35  <cb22> yeah, thinkin of that
2007-12-07T00:20:34  <starGaming> Uploaded the files for #70.
2007-12-07T00:20:48  <cb22> grzywacz: hmm, not a good idea judging from other ocde
2007-12-07T00:21:02  <cb22> TODO: this code is very fragile
2007-12-07T00:27:08  <cb22> ok, my final update for the night is up
2007-12-07T00:27:15  <cb22> now i'm off to sleep, gn everyone
2007-12-07T00:29:20  <veerz> good night :)
2007-12-07T08:29:02  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: argh, you didnt set the enddate
2007-12-07T08:29:31  <grzywacz> I though enddate means the time when the result was submitted :P
2007-12-07T08:30:36  <xorAxAx> no
2007-12-07T08:30:51  <xorAxAx> i should have called it duedate, though
2007-12-07T08:31:17  <grzywacz> fixed
2007-12-07T08:38:12  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: wrong format
2007-12-07T08:38:31  <xorAxAx> also wrong value
2007-12-07T08:38:35  <xorAxAx> 07 + 03 = 10
2007-12-07T08:38:38  <veerz> do you guys ever sleep?
2007-12-07T08:38:44  <TheSheep> veerz: what for?
2007-12-07T08:38:46  <xorAxAx> i changed it
2007-12-07T08:38:50  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, ok.............
2007-12-07T08:38:55  <veerz> TheSheep: well you know
2007-12-07T08:39:00  <veerz> some persons do
2007-12-07T08:39:03  <grzywacz> veerz, I don't, and as a result I can't add 7 and 3.
2007-12-07T08:39:08  <grzywacz> Don't do that at home.
2007-12-07T08:39:08  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-12-07T08:39:09  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-12-07T08:39:12  <veerz> heh
2007-12-07T08:39:27  <TheSheep> adding is so oldschool
2007-12-07T08:39:57  <TheSheep> your mum could add 7 and 3
2007-12-07T08:40:14  <grzywacz> Only old Korean people use addition!
2007-12-07T08:55:02  <grzywacz> Hm.
2007-12-07T08:55:28  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, do we accept code that is only Python 2.5 compatible? ;)
2007-12-07T08:55:56  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2007-12-07T08:56:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and moin :)
2007-12-07T08:56:30  <grzywacz> moin
2007-12-07T09:07:06  <grzywacz> stargaming_, replied on tracker
2007-12-07T09:07:17  <dreimark> moin
2007-12-07T11:08:51  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: new fun with pre
2007-12-07T11:17:30  <dreimark> can we add a Testpage for this (I cant remember exactly) translusion difference between FF2.X and FF3.alpha
2007-12-07T11:47:08  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: specs:
2007-12-07T11:47:09  <xorAxAx> These are Gigabyte 1U boxes: dual P4 1.2Ghz w/2G RAM, 1x250G HD, (but
2007-12-07T11:47:09  <xorAxAx> +2 hotswap slots, so I can probably come up with some more drives if
2007-12-07T11:47:10  <xorAxAx> someone needs them
2007-12-07T12:00:43  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc, there was no p4 with 1.2ghz
2007-12-07T12:05:01  <xorAxAx> yes, that was pointed out on the ML :)
2007-12-07T12:05:17  <xorAxAx> so its most likely a P3
2007-12-07T12:08:59  <ThomasWaldmann> could be a tualatin P3 (and a rather old machine, if this is true)
2007-12-07T12:55:25  <grzywacz> bbl
2007-12-07T13:11:36  <xorAxAx> stargaming_: karol has delegated question answering to me :)
2007-12-07T13:15:50  <dreimark> blinx: can you please move WrongAligned subpages to  MoinMoinBugs/WrongAlignedAttachment
2007-12-07T13:56:44  * dreimark comments on 60
2007-12-07T14:21:26  * ThomasWaldmann plays with xen
2007-12-07T14:53:49  <rafael> heyho
2007-12-07T14:54:45  <rafael> my interview partner agreed to it - where should the questions be checked?
2007-12-07T15:27:29  <dreimark> rafael: which issue ?
2007-12-07T15:27:45  <rafael> dreimark: i already speak in query with ThomasWaldmann
2007-12-07T15:27:58  <rafael> but it's #63
2007-12-07T15:28:17  <dreimark> ok
2007-12-07T15:39:14  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 2400:2bac82c5cf2f 1.6/MoinMoin/script/export/dump.py: MoinMoin.script.export.dump: changed auth_name to name
2007-12-07T15:49:35  * dreimark selects some more EasyTodo tasks
2007-12-07T16:18:05  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, pity, the english part of the WikiKurs/WikiCourse task seems to fail.
2007-12-07T16:19:27  <rafael> the interview layout should look like this? http://moinmo.in/MoinMarketing/InterviewsWithMoinDevelopers
2007-12-07T16:31:23  <dreimark> rafael: if you like to do #63 don't miss to claim it
2007-12-07T16:32:22  <rafael> dreimark: yes, but my problem is that i have an interview client but already an issue
2007-12-07T16:33:39  <ThomasWaldmann> rafael: yes, it could look similar to that page
2007-12-07T16:33:57  <dreimark> rafael:
2007-12-07T16:33:59  <dreimark> ok
2007-12-07T16:34:05  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-07T17:52:32  <xorAxAx> we are involved into two duplicate cases
2007-12-07T18:02:10  * xorAxAx reopened a screencast task
2007-12-07T20:12:07  <xorAxAx> moin ernestas
2007-12-07T20:12:46  <ernestas> hello xorAxAx
2007-12-07T20:15:53  <ernestas> I have some problems with my current task (I've damaged media and etc). Could I unofficially translate the .po file and next week officially claim the task and prove that I have done it? I don't see any other proper solution at the moment.
2007-12-07T20:17:14  <xorAxAx> ernestas: if nobody else claims the task in the meanwhile, thats totally fine
2007-12-07T20:17:21  <ernestas> ok, thanks
2007-12-07T20:38:13  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-07T20:38:32  <ninnnu> Moin
2007-12-07T20:41:53  <starGaming> veerz, already thought about the XEP-0115 tasks?
2007-12-07T20:48:29  <cb22> hmm, who == rb.proj on the tracker?
2007-12-07T20:49:59  <ninnnu> dreimark, IIRC
2007-12-07T20:52:40  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-07T20:52:58  <xorAxAx> pretty annoying that we cannot publish full names in the tracker
2007-12-07T20:53:29  <ninnnu> Why not?
2007-12-07T20:57:27  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: how to?
2007-12-07T20:58:17  <ninnnu> you cannot publish full names in the tracker? Why?
2007-12-07T21:00:00  <starGaming> Is there any way to install pyxmpp through easy_install? This seems to fail for me.
2007-12-07T21:03:03  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: how should i do it?
2007-12-07T21:03:12  <xorAxAx> starGaming: in any case, you need the svn trunk i think
2007-12-07T21:03:45  <starGaming> Humm, just did it with ``easy_install http://pyxmpp.jajcus.net/downloads/pyxmpp-1.0.0.tar.gz`` now.
2007-12-07T21:04:02  <xorAxAx> the release version didnt work a few months ago
2007-12-07T21:04:06  <xorAxAx> how old is the release?
2007-12-07T21:04:23  <starGaming> But then again, the first task doesn't need pyxmpp, anyways.
2007-12-07T21:04:25  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: dunno, but you just said that it's annoyng...?
2007-12-07T21:04:25  <starGaming> Max 06
2007-12-07T21:04:49  <starGaming> (s/x/y/)
2007-12-07T21:05:00  <starGaming> Ah, there are snapshots available.
2007-12-07T21:05:25  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: yes, because i cannot
2007-12-07T21:06:28  <ninnnu> Hm... I just read "how" as "why"...
2007-12-07T21:09:04  <ninnnu> Well.. Um... Isn't there a link "settings" at top-right corner?
2007-12-07T21:09:38  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-07T21:09:49  <xorAxAx> and how is the setting called that publishes your name in the issue tracker?
2007-12-07T21:10:53  * ThomasWaldmann tries to fix the parser sections now
2007-12-07T21:11:32  <TheSheep> parser sections?
2007-12-07T21:11:42  <TheSheep> like the {{{#!section ... }}} ?
2007-12-07T21:13:31  <ninnnu> Hm... Ok, apparently that settings doesn't take you to where I wanted... What about "My account"?
2007-12-07T21:13:50  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: i know that these links exist :)
2007-12-07T21:13:50  <ernestas> oh my... my so wanted task has been claimed... :/ that's something sad
2007-12-07T21:13:56  <xorAxAx> ernestas: yep
2007-12-07T21:14:04  <xorAxAx> just wanted to ask you whether you are that person
2007-12-07T21:14:09  <ernestas> no...
2007-12-07T21:14:14  <xorAxAx> you should have claimed it earlier :)
2007-12-07T21:14:26  <ernestas> I said why I couldn't
2007-12-07T21:14:33  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-12-07T21:15:01  <xorAxAx> ernestas: but you can nevertheless work on the translation after he is finished - and maybe he even doesnt work at all, then i will reopen it
2007-12-07T21:15:30  <ernestas> yeah, but that has screwed my plans a bit
2007-12-07T21:15:46  <xorAxAx> i mean, free software is so nice even if you dont get money for it
2007-12-07T21:16:11  <ernestas> yes it is
2007-12-07T21:16:33  <ernestas> I've been contributing to some OSS projects earlier too
2007-12-07T21:16:38  <ernestas> translations etc...
2007-12-07T21:16:56  <ernestas> it's about 2 years I'm doing it
2007-12-07T21:16:59  <ernestas> :)
2007-12-07T21:17:22  <ernestas> ok, I have an idee
2007-12-07T21:17:33  <ernestas> Could I make the presentation?
2007-12-07T21:17:34  <starGaming> What docstring markup does MoinMoin use? It looks strongly like epydoc.
2007-12-07T21:17:41  <xorAxAx> ernestas: you can do everything you like :)
2007-12-07T21:17:58  <xorAxAx> starGaming: yeah, sometimes epydoc-like, sometimes even real epydoc
2007-12-07T21:18:22  <ernestas> yes, but... but will you create another present moinmoin task? oh, but not now, please....
2007-12-07T21:18:30  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: is that markup actually used anywhere, or is it just for convenience?
2007-12-07T21:19:03  <starGaming> So, I have to use this *cough* awful *cough* C{code here} markup? :(
2007-12-07T21:19:03  <xorAxAx> ernestas: there is an open screencast task
2007-12-07T21:19:17  <ernestas> If I knew how to make one
2007-12-07T21:19:27  <xorAxAx> starGaming: no
2007-12-07T21:19:39  <ernestas> ok, ok, I can learn that
2007-12-07T21:20:03  <starGaming> Huh?
2007-12-07T21:20:33  <xorAxAx> starGaming: well, as i said, often it is /not/ epydoc markup at all :)
2007-12-07T21:20:41  <xorAxAx> it might just look a bit like it
2007-12-07T21:21:03  <xorAxAx> which docstring processor accepts doctest like chunks?
2007-12-07T21:22:57  <ernestas> err, who the hell is that ruledbyfate. ok, I'm going to have a cup of tea to calm down a little...
2007-12-07T21:23:23  <xorAxAx> oh, well :)
2007-12-07T21:23:48  <xorAxAx> i really like the idea "expect the unexpected" but i would understand it differently :)
2007-12-07T21:34:44  <ernestas> "<xorAxAx> ernestas: there is an open screencast task" sure, why not. and then tomorrow someone claims it too. funny, isn't it? ;)
2007-12-07T21:35:02  <xorAxAx> ernestas: perfectly possible, thats how a contest works :)
2007-12-07T21:35:09  <ernestas> yeaaah
2007-12-07T21:43:51  <rafael> why not use rst as docstring markup?
2007-12-07T21:43:55  <ernestas> let's reduce the chance of claiming by half... and try to do one of the "thinking aloud" tasks
2007-12-07T21:46:30  <veerz> starGaming: no
2007-12-07T21:47:55  <cb22> hmm, what does dreimark mean by 'You should check write rights on the page self.page.page_name too. if there is a file already attached it should not be overwritten on default.'?
2007-12-07T21:48:22  * xorAxAx pulls out his reverse babelfish script
2007-12-07T21:48:59  <xorAxAx> cb22: he means that a) you need to check for user permissions on the page b) you need to check whether the file already exists that you want to create
2007-12-07T21:51:12  <cb22> hmm, isn't a already done? --user opt?
2007-12-07T21:52:37  <rafael> xorAxAx: should i check the vcard for things like BINARY value type only allowed in  PHOTO, LOGO, SOUND, and KEY or just parse it and go out that it is a valid vcard
2007-12-07T21:54:45  <xorAxAx> rafael: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_Principle
2007-12-07T21:55:09  <xorAxAx> cb22: hmm, you have to add acl checks to every piece of code you write
2007-12-07T21:55:11  <xorAxAx> generally
2007-12-07T21:55:53  <cb22> xorAxAx: hmm? shouldnt the fact that the user is user FooBar simply be enough?
2007-12-07T21:56:07  * cb22 looked at the modified dump.py
2007-12-07T21:56:30  <xorAxAx> cb22: well, depends on the code
2007-12-07T21:58:13  <rafael> xorAxAx: so not?
2007-12-07T21:59:19  <xorAxAx> rafael: you should
2007-12-07T22:00:31  <rafael> ok, to do that - only make a ParsingError or smth like this or print an error to the site?
2007-12-07T22:01:28  <xorAxAx> rafael: well, you need an exception class and handle that
2007-12-07T22:01:36  <xorAxAx> and i still think that writing a parser yourself is bad
2007-12-07T22:02:10  <cb22> xorAxAx: so i have to add ACL checks to my code? boo :(
2007-12-07T22:02:46  <xorAxAx> cb22: well, when it makes sense, of course
2007-12-07T22:03:54  * cb22 waits for his v3 to finish being flashed before rebooting back into freebsd
2007-12-07T22:04:13  <rafael> xorAxAx: could i modify a ASF licensed module?
2007-12-07T22:04:26  <xorAxAx> rafael: why do you need to modify it?
2007-12-07T22:05:38  <rafael> xorAxAx: there is unused stuff like hcalendar etc..
2007-12-07T22:05:50  <xorAxAx> rafael: how large is the package?
2007-12-07T22:06:41  <rafael> xorAxAx: 212.2 KB including stuff like readme, ..
2007-12-07T22:08:40  <xorAxAx> url?
2007-12-07T22:09:10  <rafael> xorAxAx: http://vobject.skyhouseconsulting.com/
2007-12-07T22:09:23  <rafael> xorAxAx: nothing else in the cheeseshop for vobject creation
2007-12-07T22:09:33  <xorAxAx> creation?
2007-12-07T22:10:03  <rafael> sorry, i mean parsing
2007-12-07T22:12:32  <xorAxAx> rafael: i think its well packaged and maintained and can be an external dependency
2007-12-07T22:12:40  <xorAxAx> so admins should install it if they want the feature
2007-12-07T22:14:15  <rafael> xorAxAx: alright, i can use it also for hcard parsing
2007-12-07T22:14:44  <xorAxAx> its not like you can produce 255 kB of source and your macros in this short period of time :)
2007-12-07T22:14:56  <rafael> xorAxAx: now i set 'vobject' in the Dependencies value or what?
2007-12-07T22:16:44  <xorAxAx> do we have a setuptools file?
2007-12-07T22:16:49  <xorAxAx> rafael: its more important to document it
2007-12-07T22:17:58  <rafael> xorAxAx: there is one here http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=vobject
2007-12-07T22:19:19  <cb22> dreimark! :)
2007-12-07T22:19:32  <dreimark> moin cb22
2007-12-07T22:20:08  * dreimark reads issue mails
2007-12-07T22:21:24  <cb22> speaking of issues.... what exactly does your comment on #60 mean? I sorted the output = .... one
2007-12-07T22:21:53  <cb22> 'if there is a file already attached it should not be overwritten on default.
2007-12-07T22:22:07  <cb22> ^^ I take you mean check if the output file exists already?
2007-12-07T22:26:23  <ernestas> xorAxAx, I am going to (unoficially) do one of "thinking aloud" tasks this weekend and then claim one of them at the beginning of next week. I hope that at least one of them will be available.
2007-12-07T22:27:39  <cb22> dreimark: never mind, i had one of those 'ahhhh, now i know' moments
2007-12-07T22:27:53  <ernestas> I hope this will work. I can't imagine my weekend without some oss :>
2007-12-07T22:28:12  <xorAxAx> ernestas: fine :)
2007-12-07T22:28:39  <dreimark> cb22: if I use the Package page action I like to have the package.zip file attached to the page
2007-12-07T22:28:58  <dreimark> and if there is already on it should not been overwritten
2007-12-07T22:29:04  <dreimark> s/on/one
2007-12-07T22:29:28  <dreimark> currently you do save it on the server
2007-12-07T22:29:35  <cb22> in the wrong place :)
2007-12-07T22:29:37  <cb22> sorted
2007-12-07T22:30:22  <dreimark> yep
2007-12-07T22:34:04  <ernestas> xorAxAx: BTW, do you need anyone to review translations? I have some experience in translating (en->lt), so I could help :)
2007-12-07T22:34:48  <xorAxAx> ernestas: hey, that would be cool :)
2007-12-07T22:34:55  <ernestas> ok :)
2007-12-07T22:37:56  <cb22> dreimark: ok, updated patch
2007-12-07T22:38:14  <dreimark> ok
2007-12-07T22:38:40  <cb22> basically, if you dont have write access to the page, you cannot package
2007-12-07T22:38:40  <cb22> the package gets attached to the page
2007-12-07T22:38:51  <cb22> if there already is another attachmment with the same no, it gives an error
2007-12-07T22:47:59  <dreimark> cb22: it should not pack itselfs AddAttachment|3_attachment|package.zip| ...
2007-12-07T22:52:22  <dreimark> the package.zip should not include the newly created package.zip file
2007-12-07T22:53:30  <cb22> dreimark: got it, sorted
2007-12-07T22:53:36  <cb22> updating patch....
2007-12-07T22:54:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: My developer version always tells TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
2007-12-07T22:54:53  <dreimark> for "for lang in i18n.wikiLanguages():"
2007-12-07T22:55:07  <dreimark> MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py", line 83, in Macro
2007-12-07T22:56:37  <cb22> dreimark: patch updated
2007-12-07T22:57:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: are you using macros out of their normal context?
2007-12-07T22:58:01  <dreimark> hmm, may be I do recognize it with the export package call
2007-12-07T22:58:11  <dreimark> cb22: do you use beta?
2007-12-07T22:59:36  <cb22> 1.6 from hg
2007-12-07T23:02:55  * dreimark fetchs a new clone
2007-12-07T23:40:24  <dreimark> in the new clone it does not vanished
2007-12-07T23:40:39  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: traceback http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/cli_no_lang
2007-12-07T23:47:36  <dreimark> gn