MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-12-05

2007-12-05T00:01:16  <cb22> vpv: that did the trick, thanks
2007-12-05T00:01:38  <vpv> cool :)
2007-12-05T00:10:32  <cb22> can a comma occur in a page name?
2007-12-05T00:12:24  <ThomasWaldmann> i think so
2007-12-05T00:14:50  <cb22> hmm, so it wouldnt be a good idea to use it a s a seperator?
2007-12-05T00:15:07  <cb22> the web interface to package does it however
2007-12-05T00:20:38  <cb22> ok, i uploaded a slightly different patch, but now im really off to bed :)
2007-12-05T00:20:40  <cb22> night everyone
2007-12-05T00:32:11  <ThomasWaldmann> gn
2007-12-05T00:54:32  <dreimark> gn all
2007-12-05T07:20:55  <cb22> ok, patch for #60 up
2007-12-05T07:21:01  <cb22> comments pls :)
2007-12-05T08:42:56  <xorAxAx> "The ASF's list is going relatively slow, currently only 21 tasks have
2007-12-05T08:42:57  <xorAxAx> been claimed."
2007-12-05T08:42:58  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-12-05T08:43:37  <TheSheep> asf?
2007-12-05T08:45:21  <xorAxAx> apache software foundation
2007-12-05T08:45:30  <xorAxAx> maybe they should have called themselves apache :)
2007-12-05T08:47:12  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-12-05T09:02:41  <veerz> Maybe they should have programmed in python
2007-12-05T09:05:47  <ThomasWaldmann> http://xkcd.com/
2007-12-05T09:14:23  <dreimark> :)
2007-12-05T09:15:26  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: +        pagelist = ', '.join([getattr(page, "page_name") for page in  pages])  < is there an easier way to do this?
2007-12-05T09:18:06  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann: is this a rethorical question?
2007-12-05T09:18:22  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: user.getUserIdentification(self.request)  < looks like you are calling this too often
2007-12-05T09:18:43  <ThomasWaldmann> veerz: it is a question for him to think about :)
2007-12-05T09:20:34  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: +            script.fatal("Output file already exists! Cowardly refusing to continue!")  < hehe!
2007-12-05T09:45:33  <dreimark> moin  export dump is a bit broken on some pages *** Caught exception while writing page!
2007-12-05T09:48:26  <dreimark> TypeError: <lambda>() got an unexpected keyword argument 'escaped'
2007-12-05T09:48:37  <dreimark> action/AttachFile.py", line 335, in _build_filelist
2007-12-05T09:48:37  <dreimark>     get_url = getAttachUrl(pagename, file, request, escaped=1)
2007-12-05T09:49:02  <xorAxAx> i dont think that this is a moin dump bug :)
2007-12-05T09:49:19  * dreimark too
2007-12-05T14:56:35  <dreimark> issue 81 I have recognized vlc-beta does play the file too
2007-12-05T15:35:56  <blinx> moin
2007-12-05T15:36:06  <blinx> dreimark: give me 15mins :)
2007-12-05T15:43:08  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you continue reviewing 88?
2007-12-05T15:43:28  * xorAxAx reviews 46
2007-12-05T15:55:35  <xorAxAx> very nice, students creating tasks for other students
2007-12-05T15:55:53  <xorAxAx> next step is to get students to review the patches of other students and then we have a perpetuum mobile
2007-12-05T15:55:57  <veerz> We can create our own tasks now? :)
2007-12-05T15:56:06  <xorAxAx> well, you always could
2007-12-05T15:56:12  <xorAxAx> see MoinMoin:EasyToDo
2007-12-05T15:58:43  <ninnnu> xorAxAx, could you re-review #59? I fixed it (at least I think so)
2007-12-05T15:59:27  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: did you just change the ticket? i havent seen a mail yet
2007-12-05T15:59:39  <xorAxAx> (i am getting mails for every change and handle them in chronological order)
2007-12-05T15:59:51  <ninnnu> I changed it last evening...
2007-12-05T16:00:14  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: i changed the ticket today
2007-12-05T16:00:19  <xorAxAx> did you see my changes?
2007-12-05T16:00:40  <xorAxAx> you should have got an e-mail
2007-12-05T16:00:44  <ninnnu> Err... I don't think so. Lesson, afk >
2007-12-05T16:01:52  <xorAxAx> well, then you need to subscribe to the ticket somehow or poll it more often :)
2007-12-05T16:01:58  <ninnnu> for some reason I haven't got any e-mails about GHOP... But now away
2007-12-05T16:03:29  * xorAxAx handles 52
2007-12-05T16:09:00  <CIA-33> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> default * 2395:5ae152a56127 1.6/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: Small fixes for the import driver
2007-12-05T16:09:01  <CIA-33> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> default * 2396:426c087c74b5 1.6/MoinMoin/script/export/dump.py:
2007-12-05T16:09:01  <CIA-33> moin: Added a --dump-user option to the moin dump command. Thanks to Oliver O'Halloran.
2007-12-05T16:09:01  <CIA-33> moin: Cf. http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=52
2007-12-05T16:19:51  <dreimark> hi blinx
2007-12-05T16:20:55  * xorAxAx replied to leslie on the internal list regarding our current status
2007-12-05T16:23:44  <blinx> dreimark: now :)
2007-12-05T16:23:54  <rafael> how can i fill a row if i created it with formatter.table_row(1) ?
2007-12-05T16:27:50  <rafael> ah - i see.. it's only the start :)
2007-12-05T16:29:46  * xorAxAx handles 46
2007-12-05T16:35:20  <CIA-33> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> default * 2397:6342dc571d59 1.6/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py:
2007-12-05T16:35:20  <CIA-33> moin: Fix "MakeIconLinkLosesAltTitle", thanks to "bolekk".
2007-12-05T16:35:20  <CIA-33> moin: Cf. http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=46 and http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/MakeIconLinkLosesAltTitle.
2007-12-05T16:39:07  * xorAxAx adds an enddate column
2007-12-05T16:40:42  <blinx> dreimark: you are busy atm?
2007-12-05T16:42:37  <xorAxAx> hi ernestas
2007-12-05T16:42:43  <ernestas> hi xorAxAx
2007-12-05T16:45:01  <rafael> how to activate a parser for .vcf? i have a parser in parser/ with extensions = ['.vcf', '.vcard']... but nothing happens to an uploaded file (1.5 desktop version)
2007-12-05T16:45:32  <blinx> did you reload the moin process?
2007-12-05T16:46:33  <rafael> well, how to do with desktop version? after restart nothing changed
2007-12-05T16:56:04  <xorAxAx> rafael: note that you must develop for 1.6
2007-12-05T16:56:21  <xorAxAx> rafael: you can try with {{{#!...\n your vcard here}}}
2007-12-05T16:57:25  <rafael> xorAxAx: but there's no desktop version for 1.6.. so please go and pack it :)
2007-12-05T16:57:43  <xorAxAx> rafael: you dont need a separate one as a developer
2007-12-05T16:57:47  <xorAxAx> its all builtin
2007-12-05T16:58:12  <xorAxAx> now we have a shiny EndDate label. please use it when ack'ing the students' claim, dreimark and ThomasWaldmann
2007-12-05T16:59:08  <rafael> xorAxAx: ? i know, but if i must use 1.6 i must install it with apache or something
2007-12-05T16:59:43  <dreimark> blinx: sorry i have had a talk,
2007-12-05T16:59:54  <dreimark> did you have seen my questions?
2007-12-05T17:00:52  <xorAxAx> rafael: no
2007-12-05T17:01:12  <dreimark> rafael: just start moin.py from moin-1.6
2007-12-05T17:02:44  <blinx> dreimark: yes
2007-12-05T17:05:06  <rafael> ah, nice
2007-12-05T17:08:36  <dreimark> blinx: it is not wanted to have every image below each other
2007-12-05T17:09:21  <blinx> sure
2007-12-05T17:13:20  * xorAxAx commented on tasks that are due tomorrow
2007-12-05T17:16:31  <ernestas> are there many with no progress at all?
2007-12-05T17:17:05  <xorAxAx> ernestas: hmm, it looks like it is one task for today and 2 for tomorrow that dont have any progress
2007-12-05T17:18:11  <xorAxAx> which is pretty ok given the rather chaotic nature of this contest :)
2007-12-05T17:19:06  <rafael> what happens if someone doesn't finish an issue in the estimated time?
2007-12-05T17:19:10  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: {{attachment:image.png|width=200}} does not work, but {{attachment:image.png|alt=dfsdfsdf|width=200}}
2007-12-05T17:21:14  <ernestas> xorAxAx, It doesn't seem very chaotic to me
2007-12-05T17:22:00  <xorAxAx> ernestas: hehe
2007-12-05T17:22:49  <xorAxAx> ernestas: well, the issue tracker is pretty manual when it comes to a few things and students dont have anything to proove before claiming a tasks (which results in a bit of noise of people who are not totally convinced)
2007-12-05T17:23:03  <xorAxAx> rafael: then it will be switched to open again
2007-12-05T17:24:45  <ernestas> xorAxAx, well, it's the first of its kind, so it's not so strange even for Google
2007-12-05T17:26:43  <xorAxAx> ernestas: yes, they do it like "ah, the 10 orgs will handle it (without being paid) and after it, we know which features to implement for our issue tracker"
2007-12-05T17:26:58  <xorAxAx> those will be implemented by a trainee of course
2007-12-05T17:27:25  <ernestas> :))
2007-12-05T18:00:35  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: TheSheep is the transclusion separator always | ?
2007-12-05T18:10:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, same as for links
2007-12-05T18:11:16  <ThomasWaldmann> and it is target|desc|params
2007-12-05T18:12:41  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: text_moin_wiki._get_params calls fixed, kw, trailing = wikiutil.parse_quoted_separated(params)
2007-12-05T18:12:59  <dreimark> the default separator is
2007-12-05T18:13:02  <dreimark> ","
2007-12-05T18:14:27  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2007-12-05T18:15:31  <dreimark> if you write something like {{attachment:image.png|dfsdfsdf|width=200|border=4}}
2007-12-05T18:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> then it's wrong
2007-12-05T18:16:15  <ThomasWaldmann> target|desc|params
2007-12-05T18:16:44  <ThomasWaldmann> and params is then using , or blank as separator (look in the code)
2007-12-05T18:20:16  <dreimark> see query
2007-12-05T18:28:52  * ThomasWaldmann is still at work and later at lug meeting
2007-12-05T18:29:13  <TheSheep> lug, cool
2007-12-05T19:04:44  * cb22 adds
2007-12-05T19:13:57  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: should i add the functionality i added to the cmd line interface to the web one?
2007-12-05T19:14:18  <cb22> like regex support, certain pages, everything, certain catagories, > a certain date
2007-12-05T19:25:09  <dreimark> cb22: sounds nice can you show first a draft, and we have to think about server timeout of ~50sec if to much pages and attachments are zipped so there should be a toggle for attachments
2007-12-05T19:55:22  <cb22> dreimark, what would the best way of specifying categories be?
2007-12-05T19:55:32  <cb22> i'm thinking of something like CAT:xxx
2007-12-05T19:55:38  <cb22> (for the script)
2007-12-05T19:55:55  <xorAxAx> cb22: it only makes sense to accept search queries
2007-12-05T19:56:01  <xorAxAx> anything else would be a duplication
2007-12-05T19:56:12  <cb22> xorAxAx: huh?
2007-12-05T19:57:27  <dreimark> not only,  it'c nice to have e.g. all homepages
2007-12-05T19:57:30  <cb22> bah, working on a parser is a bitch
2007-12-05T19:57:54  <cb22> i'm thinking each -p is something to be matched
2007-12-05T19:59:27  * cb22 's head exploads again
2007-12-05T19:59:36  <cb22> ignore that last line about -p
2007-12-05T20:00:43  <xorAxAx> cb22: a parser?
2007-12-05T20:00:52  <xorAxAx> cb22: what dont you understand in my lines above? :)
2007-12-05T20:00:55  <cb22> ok, does this sound ok: moin.py export package -p MyPage* -d 11.01.01 -c FooCat
2007-12-05T20:01:24  <xorAxAx> cb22: no
2007-12-05T20:01:30  <cb22> that would package all the MyPage* pages, created after 11.01.01 and in the category FooCat
2007-12-05T20:01:41  <xorAxAx> cb22: i would prefer that the command accept search queries
2007-12-05T20:01:48  <cb22> ah, right
2007-12-05T20:01:52  <cb22> now i see what you meant :)
2007-12-05T20:02:02  <cb22> yes, that makes tons of sense :)
2007-12-05T20:02:16  <grzywacz> Anyone of you going to visit fosdem?
2007-12-05T20:03:44  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: maybe i will
2007-12-05T20:04:18  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, ok, good. Wesnoth folks are gathering and I feel pressure to come over as well ;D
2007-12-05T20:04:30  <grzywacz> There's going to be a wesnoth dev room. O_o;
2007-12-05T20:05:50  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-12-05T20:05:56  <xorAxAx> will esr come as well?
2007-12-05T20:06:17  <grzywacz> :X
2007-12-05T20:06:20  <grzywacz> No idea. ;)
2007-12-05T20:08:19  <cb22> xorAxAx: the search parser is a brilliant idea :)
2007-12-05T20:08:59  <xorAxAx> hopefully not only the parser :)
2007-12-05T20:09:18  <cb22> haha
2007-12-05T20:09:23  <dreimark> xorAxAx: :)
2007-12-05T20:09:28  <cb22> from MoinMoin.search import searchPages
2007-12-05T20:09:31  <cb22> that works for me
2007-12-05T20:09:51  <xorAxAx> cb22: ... should be called from your code
2007-12-05T20:10:00  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you please have a look at 88? the student is blocked for 22h
2007-12-05T20:10:21  <cb22> xorAxAx: i know?
2007-12-05T20:10:34  <xorAxAx> cb22: you misinterpreted my last message :)
2007-12-05T20:10:55  <cb22> ah, what must i interpret?
2007-12-05T20:11:53  <xorAxAx> i didnt mean to imply that the search code is a brilliant idea
2007-12-05T20:21:45  <dreimark> bbl
2007-12-05T20:31:06  <cb22> xorAxAx: how does this sound? python moin.py -s <normal search options, whatever> -o <output>
2007-12-05T20:31:14  <cb22> OR
2007-12-05T20:31:29  <cb22> moin.py -p <comma seperated list of pages> -o <output>
2007-12-05T20:31:56  <cb22> ie you can either use a search string or a simple comma list?
2007-12-05T20:32:28  <xorAxAx> sounds fine
2007-12-05T20:34:18  <rafael> should the vcard version be printed?
2007-12-05T20:35:04  <xorAxAx> hm?
2007-12-05T20:38:36  <rafael> a vcard file looks like this: BEGIN:VCARD\nVERSION:3.0\nFN:My Name\nEND:VCARD
2007-12-05T20:38:59  <rafael> i delete the last and the first line and i'm asking if i should print the second line as a footnote or something
2007-12-05T20:40:33  <xorAxAx> no, thats internal
2007-12-05T20:40:58  <xorAxAx> rafael: are you using a preexisting vcard parser?
2007-12-05T20:41:14  <rafael> xorAxAx: no
2007-12-05T20:42:10  <xorAxAx> rafael: why?
2007-12-05T20:42:32  <rafael> xorAxAx: it's not so complicated.. at the moment i use a regex
2007-12-05T20:43:24  <xorAxAx> the spec is 42 pages long
2007-12-05T20:43:58  <xorAxAx> have you had a look at the rfc?
2007-12-05T20:45:13  <rafael> a short
2007-12-05T20:45:35  <xorAxAx> did you notice that you need to implement mime-compliant defolding?
2007-12-05T20:45:41  <xorAxAx> s/def/unf/
2007-12-05T20:46:17  <rafael> what's that?
2007-12-05T20:47:17  <cb22> xorAxAx: why are pages like MoinI18n/ca not system or underlay?
2007-12-05T20:47:21  <cb22> and how do i exclude them?
2007-12-05T20:49:34  <xorAxAx> rafael: see the rfc and search for folding
2007-12-05T20:49:56  <xorAxAx> cb22: well, they shouldnt appear locally, thats a bug in thomas script
2007-12-05T20:50:08  * blinx commented issue 37
2007-12-05T20:53:46  <rafael> xorAxAx: you mean break lines longer than 75 characters?...
2007-12-05T20:54:34  <xorAxAx> rafael: well, you are not generating a file, so you dont need to break them (but do the opposite)
2007-12-05T20:55:15  <rafael> xorAxAx: ah, i know what you mean :)
2007-12-05T21:09:34  <cb22> xorAxAx: ok, put a patch up
2007-12-05T21:10:25  * ThomasWaldmann looks at 88
2007-12-05T21:11:28  <cb22> hahaha @ todays xkcd
2007-12-05T21:17:49  <grzywacz> lol
2007-12-05T21:19:41  * cb22 does an import antigravity
2007-12-05T21:23:55  <ninnnu> If XKCD was actually reality... That'd be quite awesome :P
2007-12-05T21:25:15  * cb22 wants hs girlfriend to suprise him with a room filled with play balls
2007-12-05T21:28:06  <grzywacz> O_o
2007-12-05T21:28:21  <cb22> lol
2007-12-05T21:28:32  * cb22 pulls up the link
2007-12-05T21:28:44  <cb22> http://xkcd.net/150/
2007-12-05T21:29:00  <ninnnu> Now... How did the play balls costed... That would just perfect usage for the $500 (...$100... if even that :P) I (hopefully) get from GHOP :P
2007-12-05T21:29:00  <cb22> oh, btw, comments on #60 pls :)
2007-12-05T21:29:05  <ninnnu> *how much
2007-12-05T21:30:29  <cb22> hehe
2007-12-05T21:31:08  <cb22> http://blag.xkcd.com/
2007-12-05T21:32:17  <cb22> http://chiliahedron.com/ballroom/
2007-12-05T21:32:28  <ninnnu> $433...?
2007-12-05T21:32:33  <ninnnu> http://home.samfundet.no/~berge/ballroom.xhtml
2007-12-05T21:32:46  <ninnnu> Perfect...
2007-12-05T21:33:01  <xorAxAx> argh, no metric units!
2007-12-05T21:33:23  <cb22> xorAxAx: check ninnnu's link
2007-12-05T21:33:31  <xorAxAx> yes, very nice
2007-12-05T21:33:31  <cb22> This is just a plain ripoff of http://chiliahedron.com/ballroom/,
2007-12-05T21:33:32  <cb22> but in metric units, instead of imperial ones. Seriously, there are three
2007-12-05T21:33:32  <cb22> countries left which still use imperial units: Liberia, Burma and the United
2007-12-05T21:33:32  <cb22> States of America. Please get a grip and try to cooperate with the rest of the
2007-12-05T21:33:44  <cb22> world...
2007-12-05T21:33:52  <cb22> sorry about that
2007-12-05T21:39:18  <ninnnu> xorAxAx: Should I follow the module's naming convention or just go for the get_browser_language() or something?
2007-12-05T21:39:36  <xorAxAx> ninnnu: i think the latter is better IMHO
2007-12-05T21:40:11  <ninnnu> Hm... True, there are also few others named like that...
2007-12-05T21:40:21  <ninnnu> (po_filename() and i18_init()...)
2007-12-05T21:40:50  * ThomasWaldmann is not impressed
2007-12-05T21:45:00  <xorAxAx> about what?
2007-12-05T21:51:34  <grzywacz> In general, I guess. :D
2007-12-05T21:56:28  <xorAxAx> well, maybe his english isnt better than that ...
2007-12-05T21:57:26  <ninnnu> Maybe he just didn't appreciate my idea of "what to do with the GHOP-money"...
2007-12-05T21:57:34  <blinx> wb dreimark
2007-12-05T21:57:47  <dreimark> hi
2007-12-05T21:58:54  <dreimark> blinx: can you please use a better image e.g. a large Letter or something else for that image
2007-12-05T21:59:06  <dreimark> you use on http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/WrongAlignedAttachment
2007-12-05T21:59:14  <blinx> k
2007-12-05T21:59:18  <blinx> one letter?
2007-12-05T21:59:21  <blinx> k
2007-12-05T21:59:39  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: about WikiCourse*
2007-12-05T22:00:54  <dreimark> blinx a big A and on the second a B. Not such modern as the one there
2007-12-05T22:01:05  <dreimark> "modern art"
2007-12-05T22:04:44  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do we have spellcheckers on master
2007-12-05T22:05:28  <dreimark> hm but for those lang bugs it does not help quite much
2007-12-05T22:06:57  <ThomasWaldmann> no, that doesn't help
2007-12-05T22:07:08  <ThomasWaldmann> you need good english skills for this task
2007-12-05T22:15:10  <ThomasWaldmann> where's the current iconset?
2007-12-05T22:16:24  <blinx> dreimark: now better? :)
2007-12-05T22:21:25  * veerz has updated EasyToDo/DesignNewIconset
2007-12-05T22:22:15  * blinx updated EasyToDo/WrongAlignedAttachment
2007-12-05T22:25:58  <dreimark> blinx: yeah
2007-12-05T22:26:01  <dreimark> ;)
2007-12-05T22:26:05  <blinx> kk
2007-12-05T22:26:15  <blinx> dreimark: you can comment on the issue :)
2007-12-05T22:27:10  * dreimark comments on 37
2007-12-05T22:27:18  <blinx> :)
2007-12-05T22:35:04  <dreimark> seems CIA-33 is to busy or
2007-12-05T22:37:55  <dreimark> broken
2007-12-05T22:37:57  * cb22 yawns
2007-12-05T22:39:06  * ThomasWaldmann is not too happy with the icons
2007-12-05T22:39:20  <ThomasWaldmann> the are pretty and consistent
2007-12-05T22:39:29  <blinx> veerz: hm :(
2007-12-05T22:39:31  <ThomasWaldmann> but not too recognizeable
2007-12-05T22:39:56  <veerz> Hm
2007-12-05T22:40:23  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann: is there anything I can (practically) do to make you appy with them ?
2007-12-05T22:40:38  <blinx> good nigh
2007-12-05T22:40:39  <blinx> t
2007-12-05T22:40:39  <veerz> Or do you just dislike the whole tango thing?
2007-12-05T22:41:00  <veerz> good night blinx ;)
2007-12-05T22:41:05  <ThomasWaldmann> well, I know this is a hard job, but I guess the only help is to search other ones
2007-12-05T22:41:29  <ThomasWaldmann> my main criteria is that they can be recognized at a glance in the size we use them
2007-12-05T22:42:08  <xorAxAx> well, the old ones werent very recognizable in a lot of cases
2007-12-05T22:42:09  <xorAxAx> IMHO
2007-12-05T22:42:18  <ThomasWaldmann> (if you look at those from near and for a few seconds, they are ok, but I rather like it to be recognized in 0.3s)
2007-12-05T22:42:18  <xorAxAx> the iconbar is pretty unaccessible to me
2007-12-05T22:42:49  <ThomasWaldmann> (and not only from near)
2007-12-05T22:43:45  <veerz> We'll my idea was to use the tango items if you really dislike them someone else should replace them, and I'll just release the current icon theme as it is.
2007-12-05T22:44:10  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. moin-attach is too much in to few pixels
2007-12-05T22:44:23  <ThomasWaldmann> same moin-deleted
2007-12-05T22:44:46  <xorAxAx> well, we can also resize them to 20x20
2007-12-05T22:44:51  <ThomasWaldmann> moin-ftp
2007-12-05T22:45:09  <ThomasWaldmann> moin-telnet
2007-12-05T22:45:47  <ThomasWaldmann> moin-update looks rather like reload
2007-12-05T22:45:53  <veerz> true
2007-12-05T22:46:14  <waldi> moin
2007-12-05T22:46:21  <veerz> moin waldi
2007-12-05T22:46:27  <ThomasWaldmann> and star-on/off are still both yellow
2007-12-05T22:46:30  <xorAxAx> i mean that the old ones are pretty unrecognizable as well in a lot of cases
2007-12-05T22:46:50  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann: One is filled and one is not
2007-12-05T22:47:03  <veerz> I think thats a pretty big difference
2007-12-05T22:47:23  <ThomasWaldmann> veerz: yes, if you see them both at once
2007-12-05T22:47:39  <ThomasWaldmann> if you have only 5 off or only 5 on, you can not tell
2007-12-05T22:47:42  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann: for me an empty star is off
2007-12-05T22:47:50  <ThomasWaldmann> look at the old ones
2007-12-05T22:48:01  <ThomasWaldmann> the star off had some darkness
2007-12-05T22:48:01  <veerz> I did that
2007-12-05T22:48:44  <ThomasWaldmann> (and on white background, the empty star is emitting more light than the yellow one :D )
2007-12-05T22:49:19  <veerz> thats true
2007-12-05T22:49:32  <veerz> But dark stars look rather stupid
2007-12-05T22:50:05  <veerz> and actually the old star_off is also far brighter than star_on
2007-12-05T22:52:35  <ThomasWaldmann> it could be a black hole :D
2007-12-05T22:56:37  <veerz> ThomasWaldmann: is moin-updated still used at all?
2007-12-05T22:57:09  <dreimark> Hmm, the icons I mostly recognize are the ones from RecentChanges
2007-12-05T22:57:34  <dreimark> and I think these have to be at least much bigger
2007-12-05T22:57:53  <veerz> hm
2007-12-05T22:57:58  <dreimark> and it is quite difficult to make them now better recognizable as the ones we have
2007-12-05T22:58:16  <dreimark> because they have there meaning written in letters
2007-12-05T22:58:16  <veerz> dreimark: of course
2007-12-05T22:58:31  <veerz> its black "updated" on a bright green background
2007-12-05T22:58:44  <veerz> how would you mark updated clearer
2007-12-05T23:01:07  <veerz> ok so you guy don't want the tango icons?
2007-12-05T23:01:16  <dreimark> I have not sad this
2007-12-05T23:01:29  <veerz> thats why I'm asking
2007-12-05T23:03:03  <ThomasWaldmann> updated is used when you have a rc bookmark
2007-12-05T23:03:55  <dreimark> I think the icons are fine and nice and I think we should keep them for alternate icons similiar to the alternate user css files
2007-12-05T23:04:41  <ThomasWaldmann> we could just make a theme with them
2007-12-05T23:04:50  <dreimark> we can think about a further theme to use them or may be one of the "theme designer of ghop" likes to use them immediately
2007-12-05T23:05:07  <veerz> dreimark: I've actually wanted to ask them
2007-12-05T23:05:27  <veerz> But it doesn't look like they are arround here
2007-12-05T23:08:38  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-12-05T23:11:15  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, ok, I'm coming. No resigning now. ;)
2007-12-05T23:11:30  <dreimark> yeah, I think we should keep them and inform other theme designers to use them
2007-12-05T23:11:46  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, you?
2007-12-05T23:12:32  * cb22 asks for someone to have a quick look at #60, so i can sort out any remaining issues
2007-12-05T23:15:19  <grzywacz> cb22, one moment
2007-12-05T23:15:23  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: often its colliding with my exams
2007-12-05T23:15:31  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I see
2007-12-05T23:15:54  <grzywacz> Well, would be cool if you could. :)
2007-12-05T23:17:15  <xorAxAx> yeah, will try
2007-12-05T23:18:41  <dreimark> xorAxAx: we should keep these icons for a new theme and not applying to 1.6 modern.
2007-12-05T23:19:11  <dreimark> TheSheep: or Wolfgangfischer, starshine_away  may be interested too
2007-12-05T23:19:55  <dreimark> we could inform "the ghop designers" too
2007-12-05T23:21:08  <xorAxAx> dreimark: why?
2007-12-05T23:21:46  <xorAxAx> veerz: so can you try with 20x20 px?
2007-12-05T23:22:24  <dreimark> we have to design modern different to get them used and wanted from users
2007-12-05T23:22:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: hmm?
2007-12-05T23:22:41  <xorAxAx> i dont understand that
2007-12-05T23:22:47  <dreimark> if we only change the icons from modern theme
2007-12-05T23:23:03  <dreimark> I will know a lot of users that will dislike this
2007-12-05T23:23:04  <xorAxAx> "to get them used"?
2007-12-05T23:23:31  <xorAxAx> hmm
2007-12-05T23:23:36  <dreimark> in some points ThomasWaldmann is right
2007-12-05T23:24:09  <dreimark> you need icons on RecentChanges
2007-12-05T23:24:24  <dreimark> which you immediatetly recognice
2007-12-05T23:24:56  <dreimark> the icons in the set could all be pretty fine used for actions
2007-12-05T23:25:14  <dreimark> but currently we do have only in classic icons for actions
2007-12-05T23:25:26  <dreimark> edit, print ...
2007-12-05T23:25:42  <dreimark> in modern we do use the more action menu
2007-12-05T23:25:48  <dreimark> or the editbar
2007-12-05T23:26:29  <xorAxAx> anyone disliking http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/AddUsageInfoToMoinCommand?
2007-12-05T23:28:25  <dreimark> no, besides the one should not to miss descriptions on  HelpOnMoinCommand too
2007-12-05T23:28:37  <dreimark> adding ...
2007-12-05T23:31:40  <xorAxAx> dreimark: please read the text again, after the task is finished, this doesnt have to be done anymore at all
2007-12-05T23:33:21  <dreimark> I have removed my line, but I am not sure if we don't want a translated description
2007-12-05T23:33:54  <dreimark> gn
2007-12-05T23:35:53  <xorAxAx> indeed, thats an issue. translation the current helppage is not very worthwhile, though
2007-12-05T23:36:08  <xorAxAx> (and translting it would be done through normal gettext stuff of course)
2007-12-05T23:49:39  <dreimark> I am not sure if we do have that implemented for request_cli.
2007-12-05T23:50:23  * dreimark bed
2007-12-05T23:50:49  <xorAxAx> ?