MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-25

2007-11-25T00:05:38  <xorAxAx> who added 1.5 in the easy bug reports everywhere?
2007-11-25T00:05:45  <xorAxAx> doesnt make sense to me
2007-11-25T00:11:13  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2007-11-25T00:11:49  <ThomasWaldmann> -v
2007-11-25T00:12:17  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am currently editing the easytodo bug reports
2007-11-25T00:12:25  <xorAxAx> and nearly all of them request a fix for 1.5
2007-11-25T00:12:28  <xorAxAx> which doesnt make sense
2007-11-25T00:14:39  <ThomasWaldmann> the fix is likely very similar to 1.6
2007-11-25T00:15:04  <xorAxAx> still it doesnt make sense if 1.5 will only get security fixes
2007-11-25T00:16:01  <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe someone wants to have the patch even if we don't commit it to the 1.5 branch
2007-11-25T00:18:40  <xorAxAx> then he can backport it
2007-11-25T00:21:39  <xorAxAx> ok, i have now skimmed all easytodo bug pages
2007-11-25T00:21:45  <xorAxAx> they look sane to me
2007-11-25T00:21:51  <xorAxAx> (the remaining ones)
2007-11-25T00:23:18  <xorAxAx> currently outstanding fixes are on the jabber-related pages
2007-11-25T00:26:21  <ThomasWaldmann> you can remove the 1.5 stuff if it is not security, I don't care much.
2007-11-25T00:26:32  * ThomasWaldmann updates ldap support meanwhile
2007-11-25T00:37:16  <dreimark> MoinMoinBugs/TWikiDrawOnDebian since debian has not 1.6 in testing its difficult to check that
2007-11-25T00:47:30  <dreimark> MoinMoinBugs/XmlRpcPutPageAllowsEmptyPageName its in 1.6 too and estimated time 5mins but the other problem is how long have we to wait
2007-11-25T00:49:58  <ThomasWaldmann> we could require a hg changeset, so it takes an hour more for installing / learning hg :)
2007-11-25T00:52:42  <dreimark> For them it takes longer sure, however I meant we are blocked till the end not to fix those
2007-11-25T00:56:53  <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2357:1378e4661c67 1.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated ldap support from 1.5 branch: tls support, configuration defaults, comments/docs
2007-11-25T00:57:40  <ThomasWaldmann> well, that is maybe true for anything we offer
2007-11-25T00:58:00  <ThomasWaldmann> but if a task is obviously easy, it might get claimed fast :)
2007-11-25T00:59:53  <dreimark> I try currently the renaming password bug,
2007-11-25T01:00:22  <dreimark> renaming is blocked by "Please specify a password!"
2007-11-25T01:01:08  <ThomasWaldmann> hm?
2007-11-25T01:01:45  <dreimark> I wonder that is new, I have to give a password twice to rename a user
2007-11-25T01:05:01  <dreimark> MoinMoinBugs/RenamingUserAllowsOldUsernameToLogin is in 1.6 too
2007-11-25T01:05:20  <dreimark> you can login with th old name and do become the changed user name
2007-11-25T01:15:28  <dreimark> gn
2007-11-25T01:15:43  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2007-11-25T01:21:01  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: the people need to use hg to create a compliant diff
2007-11-25T01:21:07  <xorAxAx> see furtherinfo
2007-11-25T01:23:59  <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2358:21b950ad7c0f 1.6/MoinMoin/i18n/ (40 files): updated i18n
2007-11-25T09:18:02  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-25T09:38:25  <TheSheep> moin
2007-11-25T10:02:39  * tic looks at the theming code and weeps
2007-11-25T10:12:44  * ThomasWaldmann gives tic a hanky
2007-11-25T10:13:36  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-25T10:15:22  <tic> TheSheep, thanks. :|
2007-11-25T11:12:21  * ThomasWaldmann did a pass over the easy bugs
2007-11-25T11:14:30  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i dont see how ResearchPluginSupport can be completed in 8h
2007-11-25T11:15:08  <dreimark> xorAxAx: whats your estimation
2007-11-25T11:17:06  <xorAxAx> more than 40 mime types, 5 listed browser. so you have "getting access to the browsers", "searching for plugins", "installing plugins", "searching for content", "trying out 200 content combinations"
2007-11-25T11:17:23  <xorAxAx> and finally "documenting outcome"
2007-11-25T11:19:54  <dreimark> xorAxAx: two of each major type and two differnt browsers and count = 2
2007-11-25T11:20:27  <xorAxAx> hmm?
2007-11-25T11:21:22  <dreimark> that was a question
2007-11-25T11:21:55  <xorAxAx> "two [mimetypes] of each major type"?
2007-11-25T11:22:39  <dreimark> major is left hand of / so image/jpeg -> major = image mior = jpeg
2007-11-25T11:22:54  <dreimark> s/mior/minor
2007-11-25T11:23:09  <ThomasWaldmann> x-csml, x-enbl-dl-nucleotide,x-gaussian-input, x-xyz  < i guess most people can live without those
2007-11-25T11:24:29  <ThomasWaldmann> This small examples describes a bit how alianated this list could be.    < ???
2007-11-25T11:25:51  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, thats fine if explained reasonably well
2007-11-25T11:26:46  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you mean "scaring" maybe?
2007-11-25T11:27:57  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes, its quite stupid to have ogg as application mimetype and mp3 as audio
2007-11-25T11:30:01  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: maybe you should just set a mimetype count that has to be researched
2007-11-25T11:30:22  <dreimark> do you agree xorAxAx ?
2007-11-25T11:30:40  <ThomasWaldmann> and the task includes finding out N popular mimetypes to research (for which we dont have support yet)
2007-11-25T11:31:31  <ThomasWaldmann> researching all mimetypes would be too much work
2007-11-25T11:32:17  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you already see from the mimetype that almost noone uses it, there is not much point in further researching that one
2007-11-25T11:32:28  <xorAxAx> dreimark: well, not sure, as long as its not a boring task and doable in about 10h, its fine for me
2007-11-25T11:32:41  <dreimark> 10 is a good number
2007-11-25T11:34:12  <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if 1h/mimetype is enough for research, installing, testing, writing html code
2007-11-25T11:34:47  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe 5 well done are better than 10 not well done
2007-11-25T11:35:08  <ThomasWaldmann> (and we can have count=2 or 3)
2007-11-25T11:35:46  <ThomasWaldmann> of course that could lead to overlap, but that might be good
2007-11-25T11:37:34  <ThomasWaldmann> if you require mac and linux and windows, there might be not too many people being able to do this
2007-11-25T11:38:02  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe just 1 or 2 of those
2007-11-25T11:41:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ## is not effective as we transfer raw text to the remote tracker, so it will show up there
2007-11-25T11:41:22  <dreimark> ok
2007-11-25T11:47:09  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: can you push the bugs?
2007-11-25T11:48:27  <ThomasWaldmann> (and maybe do some final sandbox test before)
2007-11-25T11:49:38  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-11-25T11:50:10  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: 2 browsers (if 1 would be enough, we would get lots of sh*t that only runs on IE)
2007-11-25T11:51:13  <dreimark> yeah, and that three times (changed)
2007-11-25T11:51:38  <dreimark> with two I guess FF will be one :
2007-11-25T11:51:41  <dreimark> )
2007-11-25T11:52:17  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/25/25431/1.html
2007-11-25T12:17:45  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i fix some wording
2007-11-25T12:19:37  <dreimark> thanks !
2007-11-25T12:24:35  <dreimark> much better
2007-11-25T12:33:41  <ThomasWaldmann> i suggested to either show some html OR extend EmbedObject to generate that html
2007-11-25T12:56:24  * ThomasWaldmann works on beta2
2007-11-25T13:01:36  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnCreoleSyntax can you help to improve it?
2007-11-25T14:13:47  <xorAxAx> dreimark: " If a plugin has controls you should describe each control in a table for each plugin." needs to be elaborated
2007-11-25T14:19:24  <dreimark> changed to "If a plugin has controls you should show some html code using these controls. "
2007-11-25T14:28:51  <xorAxAx> what are controls?
2007-11-25T14:28:55  <xorAxAx> you dont explain it
2007-11-25T15:08:02  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, more tasks :)
2007-11-25T15:10:00  <xorAxAx> i think we can push the easy todo items besides jabber now, right?
2007-11-25T15:11:02  * ThomasWaldmann looks
2007-11-25T15:13:19  <ThomasWaldmann> casestudy is not ready
2007-11-25T15:13:49  <xorAxAx> why?
2007-11-25T15:15:17  <ThomasWaldmann> because it still has that comment at the top
2007-11-25T15:18:23  <xorAxAx> ok, fixed
2007-11-25T15:19:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: It is wanted that you write a small python program afterwards which does create a moin package from the standalone wiki and all new user contributed pages.
2007-11-25T15:19:14  <ThomasWaldmann> define "new"
2007-11-25T15:20:04  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the pages the user has added to the wiki
2007-11-25T15:24:33  <ThomasWaldmann> == all not in underlay?
2007-11-25T15:24:42  <dreimark> yes
2007-11-25T15:25:21  <xorAxAx> a user never contributes pages to underlay in the usual case
2007-11-25T15:26:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ok, read http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/CloneWikiPagesByPackagePages
2007-11-25T15:27:33  <ThomasWaldmann> 12 questions only?
2007-11-25T15:27:51  <ThomasWaldmann> then you need to write >800 chars text per question.
2007-11-25T15:28:20  <ThomasWaldmann> That is quite hard as some answer might be just yes or no.
2007-11-25T15:28:50  <ThomasWaldmann> so we need more questions or more student-made questions.
2007-11-25T15:31:15  <xorAxAx> good point
2007-11-25T15:31:57  <xorAxAx> i am now writing 8 questions, also our questions have subquestions
2007-11-25T15:32:00  <xorAxAx> that should be fine
2007-11-25T15:39:27  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess it makes more sense to do the macro / parameter parsing task in 1.7
2007-11-25T15:40:02  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.6 has the code in wikiutil, but it misses the magic part. so we would have to rewrite them again for 1.7.
2007-11-25T15:48:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: no we have just to remove the execute part
2007-11-25T15:50:39  <ThomasWaldmann> and the getting of each arg
2007-11-25T15:50:59  <ThomasWaldmann> so we have to touch all again
2007-11-25T15:53:40  <dreimark> hmm, no I think if it is done this way http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/HelloWorld
2007-11-25T15:54:32  <dreimark> its only removing the execute part
2007-11-25T15:59:00  <ThomasWaldmann> ah
2007-11-25T16:01:43  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i clarified it
2007-11-25T16:02:18  <ThomasWaldmann> the advancedsearch datetime entry sounds hard
2007-11-25T16:08:06  <dreimark> It musn't "last 2 weeks" in form code could be an input text field and some radio buttons for day, weeks, months.
2007-11-25T16:10:14  * ThomasWaldmann thinks this is all too complicated and fuzzy (that current method is that also)
2007-11-25T16:11:19  <ThomasWaldmann> (and I would like to get rid of the support libs supporting the current entry method)
2007-11-25T16:11:20  <dreimark> we can remove this part, writing unittests is enough work
2007-11-25T17:08:41  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: how are unit test going to look like for AdvancedSearch?
2007-11-25T17:09:57  <dreimark> do test all functions. was replaced by xorAxAx to write uint tests
2007-11-25T17:12:22  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx:
2007-11-25T17:12:45  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I think we should remove this unittest part. We dont require for the bug fixes unittests too
2007-11-25T17:13:58  <ThomasWaldmann> well, unit tests are nice to have. but we also have to be not too optimistic about what people doing easy tasks can do. And about the time needed to do that.
2007-11-25T17:16:54  <ThomasWaldmann> These should be summarised in a text that can be used to advertise MoinMoin to new visitors of our site.
2007-11-25T17:17:30  <ThomasWaldmann> that, given in a case study, somehow says "do not write negative stuff"
2007-11-25T17:17:59  <ThomasWaldmann> so the question is if we just want praise or also critical answers :D
2007-11-25T17:20:03  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well, i guess whitebox testing of the request handler is enough
2007-11-25T17:20:17  <xorAxAx> yes, it is a pretty large item
2007-11-25T17:20:29  <ThomasWaldmann> so you expect them to know what that is :D
2007-11-25T17:21:20  <ThomasWaldmann> (or that noone takes it)
2007-11-25T17:21:23  <xorAxAx> well, my change made it saner but also more difficult
2007-11-25T17:21:35  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: its fine to have tasks that nobody tasks if they are only the few hard ones :)
2007-11-25T17:23:13  <ThomasWaldmann> well, we could also make them a bit easier and get them done. not scaring people away.
2007-11-25T17:23:39  <dreimark> and there are other python tasks I dont know how much easier they are
2007-11-25T17:24:16  <ThomasWaldmann> (and if there are people asking for more, we can give them more :)
2007-11-25T17:24:41  <xorAxAx> i think its ok to have one or few difficult tasks, but indeed we should create the item pages for the remaining ideas from the wiki
2007-11-25T17:24:42  <dreimark> yeah, they should have fun and may be learn something new important
2007-11-25T17:25:10  <xorAxAx> which are not coding related
2007-11-25T17:28:46  <dreimark> A lot of people will recognize theses tasks. We should think about to add some later which may help us for example to find one for parts we are blocked
2007-11-25T17:29:17  <xorAxAx> dreimark: i dont understand that sentence
2007-11-25T17:29:19  <dreimark> e.g. fckeditor, twikidraw, rss feed
2007-11-25T17:29:41  <dreimark> not only newbies will read these tasks
2007-11-25T17:34:45  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/ExtendFormsOfAdvancedSearch if you consider that harder, the 10h estimate is not appropriate
2007-11-25T17:35:07  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i didnt write it i think (that estimate :))
2007-11-25T17:36:22  <ThomasWaldmann> but you added more to the task
2007-11-25T17:37:37  <dreimark> If there were any unit tests for Advanced Search it would be only extending it. We should not tell a newbie to start with unit test on a program
2007-11-25T17:37:46  <dreimark> he does not written on his own
2007-11-25T17:38:29  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, maybe we should split the plugins research task into 3 different tasks, 1 windows, 1 mac, 1 linux
2007-11-25T17:39:01  <ThomasWaldmann> or someone might just copy results of someone else
2007-11-25T17:39:10  <ThomasWaldmann> and we also get better coverage
2007-11-25T17:41:03  <ThomasWaldmann> grzybacz: we either have to get a fixed time estimate from you for the jabber stuff or we need to set count to 0
2007-11-25T17:41:19  <ThomasWaldmann> (for now)
2007-11-25T17:41:26  <dreimark> agreed: 3 times IE would be bad
2007-11-25T17:42:46  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you do the split? just append Linux, Windows, MacOSX to the pagename and delete the main page.
2007-11-25T17:43:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (we maybe can add +1 of each later, if we have tasks left?)
2007-11-25T17:43:46  <dreimark> yes
2007-11-25T17:44:16  * ThomasWaldmann now sets jabber stuff to 0, so it does not get pushed
2007-11-25T17:44:45  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/ExtendFormsOfAdvancedSearch unittest part changed
2007-11-25T17:48:31  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(we have about 2h left)
2007-11-25T17:55:07  <dreimark> and 5mins
2007-11-25T17:57:24  <dreimark> grzywacz: hi
2007-11-25T17:58:52  <grzywacz> hi
2007-11-25T17:58:56  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, hi
2007-11-25T17:59:02  <xorAxAx> hi grzywacz
2007-11-25T17:59:42  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we also need to have stuff pushable and push :)
2007-11-25T18:00:13  <dreimark> I know, renaming done
2007-11-25T18:01:11  <ThomasWaldmann> grzybacz: moin :) please fix the time estimate on the jabber task pages. I already have put the standard wording there, so you just need to fix the 999 number and remove old, vague timing estimate.
2007-11-25T18:02:37  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, shall we have a "create a new po translation for a language we do not support yet" task?
2007-11-25T18:02:51  <ThomasWaldmann> if we have count > 1 there, we risk duplicate work
2007-11-25T18:03:44  <ThomasWaldmann> (and as we dont speak that language, we cant even choose the better one if that happens)
2007-11-25T18:04:32  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, probability is maybe low enough for this happening
2007-11-25T18:04:36  <xorAxAx> yeah
2007-11-25T18:04:50  <xorAxAx> we still have a lot of ideas to fill up the remaining space
2007-11-25T18:05:10  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so i keep that for filling up at the end, if needed
2007-11-25T18:05:40  * xorAxAx files a few  new issues
2007-11-25T18:17:36  * xorAxAx added another item
2007-11-25T18:20:55  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: maybe that should create a nice wiki page we can keep ("a list" is maybe a bit too simple)
2007-11-25T18:23:07  <dreimark> xorAxAx: MoinMoin is a wiki engine that integrates well with over systems by providing e.g. an RSS feed.
2007-11-25T18:23:27  <dreimark> well with over systems (sounds for me a bit strange)
2007-11-25T18:24:05  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes, furtherinformation requests everybody to write wiki markup and the result should go onto the page in our wiki
2007-11-25T18:24:20  <xorAxAx> dreimark: should be "other", can you change that?
2007-11-25T18:24:26  <dreimark> yeah
2007-11-25T18:25:35  <TheSheep>     *  even cell towers, information, stars & void (talk about your full-circle,…)
2007-11-25T18:25:38  <TheSheep> Evolutionary Spirituality is Emerging
2007-11-25T18:26:15  <TheSheep> sorry
2007-11-25T18:26:26  <TheSheep> accidental paste
2007-11-25T18:26:33  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I wrote a better page already
2007-11-25T18:28:56  <dreimark> xorAxAx: Also you should try whether the particular integration works fine.
2007-11-25T18:29:24  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: what I told is on MoinMaster.
2007-11-25T18:30:14  <TheSheep> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinTodo/Release%201.7/SyntaxReferenceForCreole
2007-11-25T18:30:15  <dreimark> works fine, could be difficult for one not knowing how it could be
2007-11-25T18:30:44  <TheSheep> actually http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnCreoleSyntax
2007-11-25T18:31:12  <dreimark> it could happen thats its only partly implemented and this will be difficult to get for a newbie
2007-11-25T19:04:06  <dreimark> 1h left
2007-11-25T19:13:27  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/GermanWikiKurs can someone proofread and comment?
2007-11-25T19:16:50  <xorAxAx> thats fine
2007-11-25T19:17:29  <ThomasWaldmann> time estimate realistic?
2007-11-25T19:19:58  <dreimark> some pages are to full for slideshow mode
2007-11-25T19:20:23  <ThomasWaldmann> i added that already :)
2007-11-25T19:23:52  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: can you do the push?
2007-11-25T19:24:20  * ThomasWaldmann has to get some dinner now and after that, LH wants to interview me/us.
2007-11-25T19:26:12  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, i will leave to dinner with 10 people soon
2007-11-25T19:26:27  <xorAxAx> but i can try starting now ...
2007-11-25T19:26:39  <xorAxAx> so we can push all easytodo subpages?
2007-11-25T19:28:38  <xorAxAx> hmm, grzywacz is still gone
2007-11-25T19:28:44  <xorAxAx> counts are 0 for that, ok
2007-11-25T19:29:44  <xorAxAx> but now we are leaving ...
2007-11-25T19:31:01  <dreimark> done ?
2007-11-25T19:31:21  <xorAxAx> dreimark: no?
2007-11-25T19:31:31  <dreimark> xorAxAx: why not ?
2007-11-25T19:31:38  <xorAxAx> but it seems like they stopped leaving again
2007-11-25T19:31:55  <xorAxAx> dreimark: because it needs time?
2007-11-25T19:31:59  <ThomasWaldmann> just tell you want to do 1 pypy compile more :D
2007-11-25T19:32:27  <xorAxAx> no, but i can do it now
2007-11-25T19:32:34  <dreimark> :)
2007-11-25T19:33:11  <xorAxAx> ok, pushing 14 tasks
2007-11-25T19:33:15  <xorAxAx> people are still talking here
2007-11-25T19:33:30  <ThomasWaldmann> to sandbox or to real?
2007-11-25T19:33:44  <xorAxAx> productive site
2007-11-25T19:34:52  <xorAxAx> oh oh
2007-11-25T19:34:56  <xorAxAx> seeing the captcha
2007-11-25T19:35:19  <xorAxAx> missing:
2007-11-25T19:35:23  <xorAxAx> EasyToDo/ResearchWindowsPluginSupport
2007-11-25T19:35:23  <xorAxAx> EasyToDo/GermanWikiKurs
2007-11-25T19:35:23  <xorAxAx> EasyToDo/Firefox3CompatibilityCheck
2007-11-25T19:35:23  <xorAxAx> EasyToDo/SearchForMoinMoinIntegration
2007-11-25T19:35:38  * xorAxAx -> restaurant
2007-11-25T19:35:56  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, what?
2007-11-25T19:36:48  <dreimark> xorAxAx: ResearchLinuxPluginSupport missing too
2007-11-25T19:37:27  <dreimark> no, found it
2007-11-25T19:40:58  <dreimark> argh, lists dont have \n
2007-11-25T19:47:13  <ThomasWaldmann> we can fix it on the pages not pushed yet
2007-11-25T19:50:07  <dreimark> the vcard one is quite difficult to read
2007-11-25T19:51:17  <ThomasWaldmann> I will add a hint to the links at the bottom for better readability.
2007-11-25T19:53:06  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: your nick on that other channel is strange
2007-11-25T19:53:32  <dreimark> yeah, I kill the other one and do login again
2007-11-25T19:54:07  <dreimark> its from the other system I regular use
2007-11-25T19:55:05  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2359:a7d20c1888a6 1.6/ (docs/INSTALL.html wiki/data/intermap.txt): updated interwiki map and install docs
2007-11-25T19:55:08  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2360:81288f785861 1.6/wiki/underlay.tar.bz2: updated underlay
2007-11-25T19:55:25  <tic> is the first number a fake revision number?
2007-11-25T19:55:29  <tic> (I see it's increasing)
2007-11-25T19:55:38  <tic> or like an autogenerated tag?
2007-11-25T19:55:58  <ThomasWaldmann> tic: it is a sometimes useless number
2007-11-25T19:56:28  <ThomasWaldmann> often you can find a specific changeset on some specific repo using it, but not in every case
2007-11-25T19:56:39  <ThomasWaldmann> the hash is more safe to use and universal
2007-11-25T19:57:06  <dreimark> done
2007-11-25T19:57:51  <dreimark> btw, I know why the lines after {{{ are invisible
2007-11-25T19:58:21  <tic> ThomasWaldmann, *nod* that's what I thought. Hence me asking. =)
2007-11-25T20:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: why?
2007-11-25T20:39:39  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/12464/  endpos is wrong
2007-11-25T20:40:20  <dreimark> ther is a bit more broken, with }}} in SyntaxReference
2007-11-25T20:41:27  <dreimark> at the end where we have added listings
2007-11-25T20:42:04  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: rather use if/else there
2007-11-25T20:42:27  <ThomasWaldmann> or try/except
2007-11-25T20:43:06  <dreimark> changed
2007-11-25T20:46:00  <ThomasWaldmann> and is len() correct, or is it len()-1 ?
2007-11-25T21:06:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: do you want to commit that before or after beta2?
2007-11-25T21:07:24  <dreimark> before, how much time do you want to give me?
2007-11-25T21:09:13  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2361:9b2a3c754aae 1.6/MoinMoin/i18n/ (7 files): updated i18n
2007-11-25T21:09:39  <ThomasWaldmann> i wanted to release today :D
2007-11-25T21:09:53  <ThomasWaldmann> and I have to get up early tomorrow...
2007-11-25T21:13:38  <dreimark> ok, then I add it afterwards, Its the right var but the wrong place
2007-11-25T21:15:18  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe try to have it ready and well tested next weekend
2007-11-25T21:15:43  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess beta3 or rc1 will be the next thing then.
2007-11-25T21:16:17  <ThomasWaldmann> in december, it will be rc time...
2007-11-25T21:21:03  <dreimark> ok
2007-11-25T21:22:36  * ThomasWaldmann tries make dist
2007-11-25T21:30:00  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/12472/
2007-11-25T21:31:48  <dreimark> closer
2007-11-25T21:36:07  <ThomasWaldmann> is that killing empty lines?
2007-11-25T21:40:06  <ThomasWaldmann> any last words? :D
2007-11-25T21:43:13  <ThomasWaldmann> mm wiki now running beta2 code
2007-11-25T21:43:38  <dreimark> :)
2007-11-25T21:47:29  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2362:4c7cc176d294 1.6/ (MoinMoin/version.py docs/CHANGES moin.spec): bumped version to 1.6.0beta2, updated CHANGES
2007-11-25T21:47:30  <CIA-33> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2363:a1a51342f985 1.6/.hgtags: tagged release 1.6.0beta2
2007-11-25T21:55:36  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, great. error 500 on sf.net...
2007-11-25T22:03:15  <ThomasWaldmann> sf offers me to download editreleases.php as a file :D
2007-11-25T22:09:46  * ThomasWaldmann gives up with SF release for today
2007-11-25T22:13:56  <grzywacz> heh
2007-11-25T22:14:01  <grzywacz> internets are broken today :P
2007-11-25T22:28:15  <dreimark> http://sourceforge.net is alive for me
2007-11-25T22:28:21  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2007-11-25T22:34:35  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, but creating a new file release does 500
2007-11-25T22:35:02  <ThomasWaldmann> (or downloads empty php files to your browser)
2007-11-25T22:35:30  <dreimark> argh, bad.
2007-11-25T22:41:48  <ThomasWaldmann> i just attached it to the MoinMoinDownload page for now
2007-11-25T23:51:16  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you havent pushed anything else, right?
2007-11-25T23:51:35  <xorAxAx> then i extend the driver to skip the already pushed item pges
2007-11-25T23:51:58  <ThomasWaldmann> no, i didnt push stuff because of dupes
2007-11-25T23:52:09  <ThomasWaldmann> (and because of releasing beta2)
2007-11-25T23:52:50  <xorAxAx> yeah
2007-11-25T23:55:42  <xorAxAx> now there is a list of pages that were pushed already
2007-11-25T23:56:15  <CIA-33> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> default * 2364:5990b65fedbd 1.6/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: Updated driver to have pages-already-pushed handling.
2007-11-25T23:56:16  <CIA-33> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> default * 2365:2c28cf71ad1e 1.6/ (14 files in 6 dirs): Merged main.