MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-11-22

2007-11-22T01:15:50  <CIA-32> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2353:e1535434c1a3 1.6/contrib/googleimport/driver.py: googleimport: fixed regex for translation items, cleanup, i18n task gatherer is disabled because it is done
2007-11-22T01:16:40  * ThomasWaldmann .sleep()
2007-11-22T13:03:15  <grzybacz> heh
2007-11-22T13:03:30  <grzybacz> Some dudes on the students' ML are plain rude...
2007-11-22T13:16:31  <ThomasWaldmann> someone tried to torpedize the recent irc meeting also (but that's what ignore is for :)
2007-11-22T13:21:57  <dreimark> moin
2007-11-22T13:22:21  <dreimark> grzybacz: more questions on do_notify patch?
2007-11-22T13:22:31  <grzybacz> dreimark: which version is it for?
2007-11-22T13:22:32  <grzybacz> 1.6?
2007-11-22T13:22:45  <dreimark> 1.5.8 curently
2007-11-22T13:22:58  <grzybacz> mhm, ok
2007-11-22T13:23:04  <dreimark> I will remove the config var in some hours.
2007-11-22T13:24:47  <dreimark> one of my colleagues has explained in a talk that it is possible to get notifications for attachments.
2007-11-22T13:25:08  <dreimark> It was easier to implement it as telling that it was a mistake
2007-11-22T13:27:48  <ThomasWaldmann> haha :D
2007-11-22T13:30:49  <dreimark> we should check  in 1.6/1.7 the attachment move msg. In 1.5.8 it tells the result and not from where it is moved
2007-11-22T13:32:52  <dreimark> fpletz is quite silent
2007-11-22T15:00:38  <johill> is there any way to trim event logs?
2007-11-22T15:00:43  <johill> rotate them or so?
2007-11-22T15:28:24  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: if you dont need stats, just truncate it to 0 bytes
2007-11-22T15:31:39  <johill> ok, that works
2007-11-22T15:31:44  <johill> I keep webserver stats
2007-11-22T15:59:25  * ThomasWaldmann makes some practical easytodo test with some student
2007-11-22T16:00:43  <johill> what's with the easytodo anyway? deadline? ...?
2007-11-22T16:03:22  <xorAxAx> johill: it will become public on tuesday
2007-11-22T16:12:42  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/Research_Python_code_usable_for_filters <- what does "or/and replace at least one call" mean
2007-11-22T16:12:45  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2007-11-22T16:55:34  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I have to check first myself if it goes with pypdf, if one knows already we can change it to and
2007-11-22T16:56:18  <dreimark> i was yesterday to much blocked by getting an easy answer how to call my example code
2007-11-22T17:00:32  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, now I get it
2007-11-22T17:03:08  <ThomasWaldmann> pdf format is rather complex internally and has different versions, so one has to carefully check for what it would work
2007-11-22T17:10:05  <dreimark> I should have used "and" :)
2007-11-22T17:13:16  <ThomasWaldmann> "system call" can be rather confusing (sounds like a operating system call / kernel call)
2007-11-22T17:13:27  <ThomasWaldmann> thus i used "system() call" now
2007-11-22T17:29:19  <dreimark> :)
2007-11-22T18:02:08  <dreimark> http://test.wikiwikiweb.de/ReimarBauer/NestedReverted shows the parser without the nesting changes
2007-11-22T18:02:29  <dreimark> and without that SyntaxReference is broken
2007-11-22T18:03:30  <dreimark> currently I would prefer but dont know how much effort it is to use the 1.5.8 part for this {{{source}}} in pre
2007-11-22T18:04:08  <dreimark> if we do use now for 1.6 the creole syntax it will need another mig script and further docs.
2007-11-22T18:04:51  <dreimark> My opinion is to do the best possible change in 1.7 and now only a fix which solves SyntaxReference
2007-11-22T18:08:05  <dreimark> I think I will write at the weekend (better name needed) if not I do name it HandsOn.html for using the standalone wiki and do refere to the INSTALL.html
2007-11-22T18:09:08  <dreimark> currently I think it should be as short as possible to describe what to do to use the build in wiki.
2007-11-22T18:09:55  <dreimark> (sure I do write a wiki page, but I think it should be added as HandsOn.html to the docs dir)
2007-11-22T18:12:23  <dreimark> bbl some hours
2007-11-22T21:44:30  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-11-22T23:21:16  <ThomasWaldmann> please add concrete time estimates to the easy tasks
2007-11-22T23:22:05  <ThomasWaldmann> "some days" is too vague IMHO, because the amount of work doable on "a day" varies in a wide range
2007-11-22T23:22:29  <xorAxAx> well, time estimates are in hours, time limits in days
2007-11-22T23:22:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (see the template for a better estimate wording)
2007-11-22T23:22:47  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: yeah, but see RC
2007-11-22T23:25:28  <ThomasWaldmann> the deliverables also need to be more concrete
2007-11-22T23:26:03  <ThomasWaldmann> giving a text length is not enough when the text format is not clear
2007-11-22T23:26:22  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. we don't want to accept a word document for the interview task
2007-11-22T23:26:35  <ThomasWaldmann> but we want stuff we can publish on a wiki page
2007-11-22T23:28:31  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-11-22T23:28:53  * ThomasWaldmann will be mostly busy on Fri afternoon and Sat morning/afternoon
2007-11-22T23:29:13  * ThomasWaldmann ... on non-moin stuff...
2007-11-22T23:30:28  <ThomasWaldmann> that means that someone else should make at least 15 tasks shooting-ready until saturday
2007-11-22T23:38:54  <dreimark> two "time estimate" fixed so only 13 left
2007-11-22T23:40:36  <ThomasWaldmann> another thing is that the xxxximport script only pushes the short description to the remote issue tracker
2007-11-22T23:40:58  <ThomasWaldmann> that means that the short description need to tell everything important
2007-11-22T23:41:38  <ThomasWaldmann> (it does not need to have ALL technical details, but it should be very clear about what the deliverable is, the time estimate, etc.)
2007-11-22T23:46:30  <dreimark> if this six others get fixed for time estimation are there 7 left or did you have counted them already and we need another 15?
2007-11-22T23:47:20  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: why 20-25h for case study?
2007-11-22T23:48:30  <dreimark> I think if you did this alone without group work you have to do a lot of things to get started and this takes time
2007-11-22T23:49:30  <dreimark> you have to think over questions and then you have to get (at least 5 employees) to talk with you
2007-11-22T23:49:46  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm
2007-11-22T23:50:10  <ThomasWaldmann> that "at least 5 employees" obviously needs clarification
2007-11-22T23:50:11  <dreimark> afterwards you have to write 10000 words
2007-11-22T23:50:32  <ThomasWaldmann> I assumed that is for the size of the company, not the number of interviews you have to do.
2007-11-22T23:51:15  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes
2007-11-22T23:51:19  <xorAxAx> indeed :)
2007-11-22T23:53:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (and I think interviewing the one guy/gal that is responsible for the company wiki is enough, he/she should know enough about it)
2007-11-22T23:53:47  <ThomasWaldmann> if you would've to find 5 people agreeing to be interviewed, the task might fail because you don't (or that just takes too long)
2007-11-22T23:54:14  <dreimark> yep, but the one who did the interview will have to know lots of things to ask to write afterwards 10000 chars
2007-11-22T23:55:03  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess if you introduce wiki into a company and you are the "wiki man", you have that infos
2007-11-22T23:55:30  <dreimark> yeah but we dont know who claims that task
2007-11-22T23:55:43  <ThomasWaldmann> because people come to you with all problems and suggestions
2007-11-22T23:55:54  <ThomasWaldmann> how is that related?
2007-11-22T23:57:39  <dreimark> if you will be interviewed you wont know that one needs 1000 words from you to write a documentation afterwards
2007-11-22T23:57:58  <ThomasWaldmann> for the case study, my estimate was: 2h searching email addrs on the wiki / mailing list and writing some cc
2007-11-22T23:58:13  <ThomasWaldmann> 2h communication by email
2007-11-22T23:58:21  <ThomasWaldmann> 1-2h interview
2007-11-22T23:58:28  <ThomasWaldmann> 4-5h writing
2007-11-22T23:58:38  <ThomasWaldmann> 10h total