MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-08-21

2007-08-21T00:13:59  <grzywacz> evening
2007-08-21T00:14:13  <ThomasWaldmann> moin grzywacz
2007-08-21T00:14:33  <ThomasWaldmann> E       py.test.skip("Skipping jabber bot tests - pyxmpp is not installed")
2007-08-21T00:14:33  <ThomasWaldmann> >       NameError: name 'py' is not defined
2007-08-21T00:14:43  <grzywacz> k
2007-08-21T00:14:59  <ThomasWaldmann> read my mail?
2007-08-21T00:15:16  <grzywacz> I don't think so, which address?
2007-08-21T00:15:25  <xorAxAx> which mail? :)
2007-08-21T00:15:31  <ThomasWaldmann> gmail
2007-08-21T00:15:35  <xorAxAx> mentors adressing my students without CCing me :)
2007-08-21T00:15:45  <grzywacz> checking
2007-08-21T00:16:07  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, secret conspiration :D
2007-08-21T00:16:44  <grzywacz> hehe
2007-08-21T00:17:03  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann: I'll have to check, and unfortunately that will change at least once more
2007-08-21T00:17:10  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann: because I'm not at home anymore. ;)
2007-08-21T00:17:48  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so the kotd
2007-08-21T00:18:14  <grzywacz> kotd?
2007-08-21T00:19:03  <ThomasWaldmann> key of the day
2007-08-21T00:21:33  <xorAxAx> ssh key
2007-08-21T07:33:39  <neagulm> hello
2007-08-21T07:51:58  <xorAxAx> "Our Project Hosting Service on Google Code, in its current form, is not set up to handle a large number of members for a single project. "
2007-08-21T07:52:01  <xorAxAx> hah, got it
2007-08-21T07:52:03  <xorAxAx> good morning neagulm
2007-08-21T07:52:48  <grzywacz> moin
2007-08-21T07:52:57  <grzywacz> lol
2007-08-21T07:53:08  <grzywacz> hi xorAxAx, neagulm
2007-08-21T07:56:09  <grzywacz> Name your tarball file according to the following convention: givennames_surnames.tar.* (e.g. LeslieLynn_Hawthorn.tar.gz)
2007-08-21T07:56:47  <grzywacz> Um, yeah. Tarballs in kanji. ;-)
2007-08-21T07:59:08  <neagulm> grzywacz, when are scheduled to upload your tarball ?
2007-08-21T07:59:34  <grzywacz> neagulm: rules changes, so starting September 3rd: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code
2007-08-21T07:59:40  <grzywacz> *changed
2007-08-21T08:00:18  <grzywacz> heh
2007-08-21T08:00:37  <neagulm> "If you would like folks to be able to take a look at further work you have done since the deadline, please include pointers in a README file" :))
2007-08-21T08:00:42  <grzywacz> "These projects will be created by 19:00 UTC on August 31, 2007" vs "Monday, September 3rd, 19:00 UTC (12:00 noon Pacific Time) - All projects for all organizations with passing students will be created on Project Hosting on Google Code."
2007-08-21T08:04:17  <xorAxAx> moin grzywacz
2007-08-21T08:47:16  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-08-21T09:12:43  <grzywacz> haha @ LOC thread
2007-08-21T09:14:24  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: whats the gist? :)
2007-08-21T09:15:27  <grzywacz> xorAxAx: people are writing how many lines of code they produced during SoC
2007-08-21T09:15:33  <xorAxAx> haha
2007-08-21T09:15:40  <xorAxAx> not easy to say
2007-08-21T09:15:45  <grzywacz> C/Java programmers win :P
2007-08-21T09:15:47  <xorAxAx> did you already generate your diff?
2007-08-21T09:15:48  <grzywacz> :D
2007-08-21T09:15:55  <grzywacz> No.
2007-08-21T09:16:01  <xorAxAx> then you could run diffstat on it
2007-08-21T09:16:03  <xorAxAx> and chime in
2007-08-21T09:16:08  <grzywacz> But I counted them lines with wc, more or less exact estimate.
2007-08-21T09:16:18  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-08-21T09:16:28  <grzywacz> That would be about ~3500 loc.
2007-08-21T09:16:42  <grzywacz> Not very impressive.:P
2007-08-21T09:16:53  * xorAxAx is lucky if he has deleted a lot of lines at the end of today
2007-08-21T09:17:04  <grzywacz> Monday, September 3rd, 19:00 UTC (12:00 noon Pacific Time)
2007-08-21T09:17:06  <xorAxAx> yes, you fail because you didnt use copy&paste
2007-08-21T09:17:07  <lanius> i heared something about a normal developer producing about 7000 loc a year
2007-08-21T09:17:10  <grzywacz> argh
2007-08-21T09:17:14  <grzywacz> stupid windows c&p
2007-08-21T09:17:32  <grzywacz> lanius: maybe
2007-08-21T09:17:47  <grzywacz> lanius: I happened to produce 1k in a long evening once or twice, but that was C++ code. ;)
2007-08-21T09:17:59  <grzywacz> And so, it hardly did anything. :P :D
2007-08-21T09:18:01  <grzywacz> peper@phoebe python $ cat *.hh *.cc *TEST* Makefile.am | wc -l
2007-08-21T09:18:02  <grzywacz> 10466
2007-08-21T09:18:03  <grzywacz> ;]
2007-08-21T09:18:12  <grzywacz> jude@laptop:~/projects/trunk/bzworkbench$  find . -regex '.*\.\(c\|h\|cxx\|cpp\)' -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -l
2007-08-21T09:18:15  <grzywacz> 21540
2007-08-21T09:18:24  <grzywacz> PHP, writing Drupal modules : 602 loc.
2007-08-21T09:18:25  <grzywacz> :D
2007-08-21T09:18:30  <grzywacz> (these are quotes)
2007-08-21T09:18:53  <grzywacz> 19022 lines, mostly in Python.
2007-08-21T09:18:54  <xorAxAx> ROTFL
2007-08-21T09:18:55  <grzywacz> That's extreme.
2007-08-21T09:19:02  <xorAxAx> (the 602 are funny)
2007-08-21T09:19:04  <grzywacz> yes ;]
2007-08-21T09:19:13  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: which project is that?
2007-08-21T09:19:14  <grzywacz> But...
2007-08-21T09:19:16  <grzywacz> Dodge this:
2007-08-21T09:19:18  <grzywacz> "I won!
2007-08-21T09:19:19  <grzywacz> The Xorg server input thread ended up with 496 lines of diff."
2007-08-21T09:19:19  <xorAxAx> would be interesting to review his code
2007-08-21T09:19:20  <grzywacz> ;]]]
2007-08-21T09:19:25  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-08-21T09:19:42  <xorAxAx> well, that sounds a bit underchallenged
2007-08-21T09:19:51  <xorAxAx> because an input thread isnt somethign very difficult
2007-08-21T09:20:34  <grzywacz> No idea. :)
2007-08-21T09:28:21  <neagulm> hello dreimark
2007-08-21T09:30:22  <lanius> my diff removes more code than it adds ;)
2007-08-21T09:30:54  <dreimark> hi neagulm
2007-08-21T09:31:23  <dreimark> I filled out a few minutes ago the evaluation form.
2007-08-21T09:32:10  <dreimark> seems I am the fastest :)
2007-08-21T09:32:49  <grzywacz> :S
2007-08-21T09:32:50  <neagulm> dreimark, :) I just finished the FeatureDB rewrite
2007-08-21T09:33:04  <dreimark> neagulm: :)
2007-08-21T09:33:05  <grzywacz> I'll do mine in the afternoon, maybe.
2007-08-21T09:33:13  <neagulm> dreimark, replaced the current db with bsddb.db
2007-08-21T09:33:46  <dreimark> neagulm: sounds good.
2007-08-21T09:34:07  <neagulm> dreimark, the old implementation was so stupid :(
2007-08-21T09:34:51  <dreimark> neagulm: everyone learns :)
2007-08-21T09:35:05  <dreimark> I have to leave. I will be back after midday
2007-08-21T09:38:15  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2964:1c8127530d23 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (3 files in 3 dirs): bsddb.db based FeatureDB
2007-08-21T09:38:18  <CIA-14> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro main * 2965:f9a25fe16ab3 1.7-classify-mneagul/.hgtags: merge with 1.7-classify-mneagul
2007-08-21T09:45:06  * neagulm is going to school 
2007-08-21T09:54:21  <grzywacz> I'm leaving to see a flat soon, bbl.
2007-08-21T09:55:56  <grzywacz> lol
2007-08-21T09:55:57  <grzywacz> "Lines of code:
2007-08-21T09:55:57  <grzywacz> 6401
2007-08-21T09:55:57  <grzywacz> Lines of comments:
2007-08-21T09:55:59  <grzywacz> 4012"
2007-08-21T10:07:45  <xorAxAx> sounds keppyish
2007-08-21T13:09:15  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2703:558a527c0ec7 1.7/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tests: added py module import, cosmetic other changes
2007-08-21T13:18:25  <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2930:bcf3b1b2cebe 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: Fix a bug in directory creation, mkdir to makedirs
2007-08-21T13:41:36  <CIA-14> moin: Ville-Pekka Vainio <vpivaini AT cs DOT helsinki DOT fi> * 2931:db4e2b584cad 1.7-maninfo-vpv/MoinMoin/script/import/manimport.py: Fix auth error message, self.username doesn't exist anymore
2007-08-21T13:43:32  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(the more converter tests I write, the more I notice how fscked 1.5 link markup is)
2007-08-21T13:48:13  <grzywacz> heh
2007-08-21T14:00:54  <dreimark> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code
2007-08-21T14:03:51  <grzywacz> Hm. I guess when I have jabber polished, I could try adding support for email notifications in the bot...
2007-08-21T14:04:40  <grzywacz> Or just launch a separate thread from Moin.
2007-08-21T14:12:57  <ThomasWaldmann> always have cgi in mind
2007-08-21T14:13:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (and people not being able to run the bot)
2007-08-21T14:13:54  <johill> if people would just run a sane MTA then there'd be virtually no delay, in a way the mta would be that bot
2007-08-21T14:17:52  <grzywacz> johill: depends, I think there's delay in some cases that could be eliminated.
2007-08-21T14:18:11  <johill> like what?
2007-08-21T14:18:49  <grzywacz> Like mail server with slow/full link or just busy with spam scanning or anything like that
2007-08-21T14:19:21  <grzywacz> gtg, will be back in a few hours
2007-08-21T14:19:41  <johill> but why would you do spam scanning on outgoing mail?
2007-08-21T14:19:46  <johill> etc.
2007-08-21T14:19:57  <johill> if there's a need for async stuff, run a local MTA
2007-08-21T14:20:03  <johill> there's no need to solve that problem again
2007-08-21T14:21:15  <ThomasWaldmann> people running wikis with many users had also a problem with the notifications just taking too long
2007-08-21T14:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (not because of the mta, but moin)
2007-08-21T14:22:05  <johill> why does it take long to send an email to many recipients?
2007-08-21T14:22:43  <johill> it should scale by the number of languages used
2007-08-21T14:31:52  <ThomasWaldmann> because it has to go through all users to find out who subscribed
2007-08-21T14:32:41  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc fedora and/or ubuntu had this problem
2007-08-21T14:32:47  <johill> hm
2007-08-21T14:33:08  <ThomasWaldmann> (see logs of our channels)
2007-08-21T14:33:23  <vpv> I don't know about Ubuntu, but Fedora is currently having it
2007-08-21T14:33:55  <vpv> the Infrastructure people are managing it by removing unused accounts for now
2007-08-21T15:45:31  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2704:c6b5c2d813b6 1.7/MoinMoin/ (_tests/test_wikiutil.py wikiutil.py): fix AbsPageName(), add tests for it
2007-08-21T16:55:14  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.7-newlinkmarkup/ - this is the stuff i was working on the last weeks
2007-08-21T17:01:41  <ThomasWaldmann> I would like to merge that back to main branch asap. If someone likes to help to achieve that, that would be very much appreciated. :)
2007-08-21T17:04:04  <ThomasWaldmann> The main todo left is to add more test cases to MoinMoin/script/migration/_tests/* and do practical conversion experiments (that might yield more test cases also)
2007-08-21T17:05:57  <ThomasWaldmann> There are also a few failing tests left (related to relative links to pages getting renamed - currently that gets converted to absolute links).
2007-08-21T17:06:44  <ThomasWaldmann> (the code of this branch is currently running on http://test17.wikiwikiweb.de )
2007-08-21T17:09:46  <ThomasWaldmann> (the converter is intended for 1.5.8 -> current and the whole stuff shall go into 1.6 at the end)
2007-08-21T18:36:40  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: after that you might finish the survey ;)
2007-08-21T18:41:32  <ThomasWaldmann> after what? :)
2007-08-21T18:47:35  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2705:4a4d84273ae1 1.7/MoinMoin/ (_tests/test_wikiutil.py wikiutil.py): new function RelPageName to calculate a relative pagename from 2 absolute pagenames
2007-08-21T18:47:36  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2706:d2d4e74978bd 1.7/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 6 dirs): remove superfluous request parameter from AbsPageName/RelPageName
2007-08-21T18:57:58  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: btw, we need a plan for getting your stuff into main branch :)
2007-08-21T20:28:04  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.logilab.org/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/logilab/mtconverter
2007-08-21T20:28:10  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: very nice for mimetype stuff
2007-08-21T20:53:07  <ThomasWaldmann> well, interesting, but not too much useful transforms yet
2007-08-21T20:55:49  <grzywacz> hm
2007-08-21T20:56:01  <grzywacz> johill: you're right
2007-08-21T20:56:14  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes, i noticed later :)
2007-08-21T21:11:26  <dreimark> currently two sourcecode bugs
2007-08-21T21:16:47  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2707:2d93b9a28ea3 1.7/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py: PageEditor.sendEditor: bug fix of emitting http_headers twice if edit_locking is set to 'lock x'
2007-08-21T21:20:52  <CIA-14> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2134:36ba7f395468 1.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py: PageEditor.sendEditor: bug fix of emitting http_headers twice if edit_locking is set to 'lock x'
2007-08-21T21:38:19  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, surveys submitted :)
2007-08-21T21:40:06  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: book your flights now :D
2007-08-21T21:44:30  <ThomasWaldmann> ffesti: it looks like google wants the final survey from you
2007-08-21T22:01:38  <xorAxAx> lanius: flights?
2007-08-21T22:03:48  * ThomasWaldmann was just joking.
2007-08-21T22:03:50  <xorAxAx> ah, you have to patch the URL to see the students surveys :)
2007-08-21T22:09:16  <ThomasWaldmann> LOL
2007-08-21T22:09:53  <ThomasWaldmann> would be interesting to know if that works the other way, too :D
2007-08-21T22:10:50  <xorAxAx> well, for midterm surveys, you hadnt to patch
2007-08-21T22:10:57  <xorAxAx> now they are missing the new links
2007-08-21T22:34:19  <zenhase> re
2007-08-21T22:34:56  <zenhase> i got a mail regarding midterm surveys some time ago from leslie
2007-08-21T22:35:13  <zenhase> i answered her, but never got anything back o_O
2007-08-21T22:39:44  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: maybe check if they want a final survey from you
2007-08-21T22:52:57  <zenhase> well, in the student interface there is a link ... i think i write an email to leslie again and ask how to deal with the outstanding midterm survey then
2007-08-21T22:53:57  <zenhase> hmm
2007-08-21T22:54:25  <zenhase> the final survey looks not really applicable in this case
2007-08-21T23:12:07  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2733:4c95862bf9ef 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 6 dirs): merge main
2007-08-21T23:12:08  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2734:b7b48f70ced4 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py: fix another AbsPageName
2007-08-21T23:12:09  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2735:bb686d95f113 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/script/migration/ (_conv160_wiki.py _tests/test_conv160_wiki.py): 1.6 converter: fixed relative links
2007-08-21T23:34:26  <CIA-14> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2737:d28a4f5d0003 1.7-newlinkmarkup/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py: merged main