MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-30

2007-04-30T12:07:20  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-04-30T12:07:30  <flowhase> moin thomas
2007-04-30T12:09:24  <ffesti> moin
2007-04-30T12:12:02  <ThomasWaldmann> ffesti: btw, I recently made your interwiki auth idea work
2007-04-30T12:12:14  <ffesti> cool
2007-04-30T12:20:20  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you discuss about genshi stuff tomorrow, maybe also think about whether it is possible to integrate it without having longer periods of a non-working moin
2007-04-30T12:21:00  <flowhase> yep
2007-04-30T12:21:13  <ThomasWaldmann> aka "small steps"
2007-04-30T12:21:53  <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe put the results on the wiki :)
2007-04-30T12:22:56  <flowhase> i thought that would be the policy anyway :>
2007-04-30T12:23:23  <flowhase> small steps, testing, commit code in working state
2007-04-30T12:24:39  <ThomasWaldmann> as you have your own repo, you can also commit non-working code
2007-04-30T12:25:50  <ThomasWaldmann> we just shouldnt MERGE a bad state into main branch X)
2007-04-30T12:26:57  <flowhase> that would be ... bad :)
2007-04-30T12:27:04  <ThomasWaldmann> oh, Markus Majer tells me that MercurialEclipse now works
2007-04-30T12:27:36  * ThomasWaldmann has to try that today evening
2007-04-30T12:29:37  <flowhase> do many of you use the eclipse-python-environment?
2007-04-30T12:31:06  <ThomasWaldmann> I use it. Maybe some others, too.
2007-04-30T12:31:57  <ThomasWaldmann> The main problem is that there are so many bad java apps out there that some might not even try it.
2007-04-30T12:33:02  <ThomasWaldmann> And it's not suitable for rather old computers.
2007-04-30T12:33:49  <flowhase> well i know eclipse from some java stuff i did
2007-04-30T12:34:12  <flowhase> it's a really nice IDE, but i always thought of it being too java-centric
2007-04-30T12:34:14  <ThomasWaldmann> but if it works fast enough for you and you read some docs / watched some videos about it, it is really nice for productivity
2007-04-30T12:34:47  <ThomasWaldmann> pydev / pydev ext. adds the python stuff quite good :)
2007-04-30T13:11:13  <xorAxAx> flowhase: i think its not java-centric at all
2007-04-30T13:11:25  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: doesnt work for me, it stalls on reading from the hg process
2007-04-30T13:14:32  <CIA-10> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> * 2029:dc132421c126 /MoinMoin/script/maint/mkpagepacks.py: Make testwiki check in mkpagepacks windows-compatible.
2007-04-30T13:14:40  <ThomasWaldmann> it works for me now, but that doesnt mean it is usable sadly
2007-04-30T13:15:26  <ThomasWaldmann> hg log, hg annotate use dialogue boxes: no scrolling, ugly formatting
2007-04-30T13:15:34  <xorAxAx> flowhase: the java features are optional plugins
2007-04-30T13:16:23  <ThomasWaldmann> hg diff seems not to work for directories (or whole project), only for files
2007-04-30T13:17:03  <flowhase> xorAxAx: yeah, but that's what it's mainly used for
2007-04-30T13:17:32  <flowhase> and it always seemed that the other-language-plugins are not that well integrated
2007-04-30T13:17:42  <xorAxAx> well, thats a whole different matter
2007-04-30T13:17:55  <xorAxAx> fujitsu is maintaining a COBOL dev plugin
2007-04-30T13:18:07  <xorAxAx> thats as enterprisey as java, but nevertheless compeltly different
2007-04-30T13:18:54  <ThomasWaldmann> no hg pull/push?
2007-04-30T13:22:08  <xorAxAx> hmm?
2007-04-30T13:22:38  <xorAxAx> indeed, cant find it in the context menu
2007-04-30T13:22:49  <xorAxAx> mpathy must have been blind when using it :)
2007-04-30T13:24:03  <flowhase> cobol *shivers*
2007-04-30T13:50:28  * ThomasWaldmann added some todo to the MercurialEclipse Trac page
2007-04-30T13:51:22  * xorAxAx created mirrors of the 1.7 repos
2007-04-30T13:54:21  <dreimark> moin
2007-04-30T13:54:39  <dreimark> I do looat the anchor trouble
2007-04-30T13:54:41  <dreimark> look
2007-04-30T13:56:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: moin :) looks like FF isnt happy with the id attr. try it with name maybe.
2007-04-30T13:56:36  <dreimark> TOC does work
2007-04-30T13:56:46  <dreimark> I compare first both
2007-04-30T14:18:15  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if i disable in modern/css/common.css /* span.anchor { display: none; } */ it works
2007-04-30T14:21:29  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: that was added by changeset 1685:8078e7b39a2b
2007-04-30T14:22:36  <dreimark> because it is for IE and included into the msie.css I do remove it there
2007-04-30T14:46:50  <xorAxAx> caching in 1.6 is broken :-(
2007-04-30T14:48:14  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you know how i can get a pdb prompt in pydev?
2007-04-30T14:49:52  <CIA-10> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2030:b5e7c80ef54a /wiki/htdocs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): revert the adding of span.anchor { display: none; } by changeset: 1685:8078e7b39a2b
2007-04-30T14:51:22  <xorAxAx> ah, it is just dircache on NTFS
2007-04-30T14:52:00  <xorAxAx> hmm, no, thats disabled
2007-04-30T14:59:27  <xorAxAx> ah, incorrect moin usage, it was me :)
2007-04-30T15:00:25  <dreimark> xorAxAx:can you recheck the anchor span change with IE?
2007-04-30T15:07:33  <xorAxAx> bug report name?
2007-04-30T15:18:43  <dreimark> xorAxAx: MoinMoinBugs/1.6devAnchorMacroFails
2007-04-30T15:24:06  <xorAxAx> works
2007-04-30T15:30:00  <dreimark> :)
2007-04-30T15:36:52  <xorAxAx> haha, the hierachical ACL patch has a serious flaw wrt thread-safety
2007-04-30T15:49:34  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: no
2007-04-30T15:49:41  <ThomasWaldmann> i use the pydev debugger
2007-04-30T15:50:14  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that might likely break something else
2007-04-30T15:50:46  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok, if it is still in msie.css i guess it is ok
2007-04-30T15:51:09  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: xorAxAx has tested it with IE
2007-04-30T15:53:21  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: the issue is that the pydev debugger doesnt show the full value of large dicts
2007-04-30T15:56:59  <dreimark> fpletz:how is the work on xapian going on?
2007-04-30T15:58:09  <dreimark> bbl
2007-04-30T16:20:56  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: cant you just unfold it?
2007-04-30T16:22:24  <CIA-10> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> * 2031:492f7d3e0f55 /MoinMoin/ (PageEditor.py security/__init__.py): Correctly check the ACL lists in the PageEditor for the admin check instead of the wrapping objects, reordered some comments and doc strings, return None instead of 0 in may if applicable. Should be ported to 1.7.
2007-04-30T16:22:40  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: no, it says "error"
2007-04-30T16:22:57  <ThomasWaldmann> you run latest version?
2007-04-30T16:23:01  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-04-30T16:23:06  <xorAxAx> installed it today
2007-04-30T16:23:22  <ThomasWaldmann> which dict is it?
2007-04-30T16:24:26  <xorAxAx> it was the cachedlist in getpagelist method
2007-04-30T16:24:57  <xorAxAx> btw, the hierachical ACL page contains a lot of refactoring and doc strings additions, most of them are already done in 1.6 :-)
2007-04-30T16:25:06  <xorAxAx> which makes it rather easy
2007-04-30T16:28:39  <ThomasWaldmann> the question is rather who is testing it :)
2007-04-30T16:33:03  <ser> hi, developers, i am writing moin plugin which will present collectd.org databases, can i use your version control system for devlopement?
2007-04-30T16:33:40  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: "Error: Could not resolve variable"
2007-04-30T16:35:01  <CIA-10> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> * 2032:6ee5f77230ab /MoinMoin/security/__init__.py: Added some documentation to the docstrings of MoinMoin.security, reordered some lines of code. Should be ported to 1.7.
2007-04-30T16:35:18  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: thats the cachedlist error you get?
2007-04-30T16:35:25  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-04-30T16:35:30  <xorAxAx> me too
2007-04-30T16:36:45  <ThomasWaldmann> ser: mercurial is de-central anyway :)
2007-04-30T16:37:43  <ThomasWaldmann> ser: and if it is just a plugin for rather special use, it is maybe better put on *Market than into main branch
2007-04-30T16:38:35  <ser> sure, so maybe i will just use moin central wiki and keep versions on it - can i?
2007-04-30T16:39:08  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, you can create a page for it, link it from *Market, feel free :)
2007-04-30T16:39:17  <ser> ok, thanks :)
2007-04-30T16:40:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ser: you want to show charts?
2007-04-30T16:40:42  <ser> yes, using rrd python library
2007-04-30T16:41:01  <ser> it works pretty well now, so it is a time to show alpha version
2007-04-30T16:41:31  <ThomasWaldmann> for charts you could either use the gdchart stuff moin uses anyway (for statistics, when installed) or, maybe better, look for a better library we can use for everything
2007-04-30T16:41:56  <ThomasWaldmann> the gdchart stuff we use is rather broken when it comes to unicode / utf-8
2007-04-30T16:44:00  <xorAxAx> and it doesnt work on amd64
2007-04-30T16:44:08  <xorAxAx> and it has buffer overflow bugs
2007-04-30T16:44:18  <ThomasWaldmann> ugh 8-(
2007-04-30T16:44:25  <ser> so you should rather forget it ;
2007-04-30T16:44:45  <xorAxAx> ser: but rrd doesnt sound like it can do pie charts
2007-04-30T16:44:49  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-30T16:45:01  <ser> no, it cannot do pie charts :(
2007-04-30T16:45:49  <ThomasWaldmann> is it py-rrdtool or what do you use?
2007-04-30T16:46:11  <xorAxAx> i think moin doesnt need any rrd-kind charts
2007-04-30T16:46:24  <xorAxAx> unfortunately, there is nothing like jfreechart for python :-(
2007-04-30T16:49:18  <ser> there is one nice graph library, but not on GPL :(
2007-04-30T16:50:50  <xorAxAx> jfreechart is powerful but has its own quirks as well
2007-04-30T16:51:06  <xorAxAx> e.g. it can render 3D and timeaxis charts, but no 3D timeaxis charts
2007-04-30T16:51:32  <xorAxAx> at least if you dont want to write thousand lines of java code :)
2007-04-30T16:52:09  <flowhase> hmm
2007-04-30T16:52:38  <flowhase> shall i bring our inhouse template-engine too tomorrow?
2007-04-30T16:52:53  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-30T16:53:02  <flowhase> (the one we have to use at work that is)
2007-04-30T16:53:08  <flowhase> it's so horrible :<
2007-04-30T16:53:20  <xorAxAx> i dont think that florian wants to puke
2007-04-30T16:53:38  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: even the debug console f*cks up when you print cachedlist
2007-04-30T16:53:57  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yep
2007-04-30T16:53:59  <flowhase> well, but perhaps he can comment on it and people here will listen to his comments more than to mine
2007-04-30T16:54:05  <flowhase> ;>
2007-04-30T16:54:10  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-30T16:54:42  <flowhase> everything was so easy with genshi ... *sigh*
2007-04-30T16:56:04  <dreimark> xorAxAx: doc @copyright string should only once used, the other should be indented
2007-04-30T16:56:11  <flowhase> now i have to write cumbersome Model-classes which have render_%s methods that get invoked when the template-renderer encounters tdi="%s"-attributes
2007-04-30T16:56:33  <xorAxAx> dreimark: what do you mean by indented?
2007-04-30T16:56:42  <flowhase> absolutely no logic in the templates :/
2007-04-30T16:56:52  <xorAxAx> it was used twice before, now it is used thrice :)
2007-04-30T16:58:29  <dreimark> xorAxAx: a lot of files are changed to  @copyright: 2000-2004 dfsdfsd \n             2005-2007 dsfsdfsd
2007-04-30T16:58:52  <xorAxAx> dreimark: that one was not :-)
2007-04-30T16:58:55  <xorAxAx> i will fix it
2007-04-30T16:59:08  <xorAxAx> and i think that indenting doesnt matter here, does it?
2007-04-30T16:59:38  <dreimark> see wikiutil, for examplem looks nicer
2007-04-30T17:09:27  <dreimark> bbl
2007-04-30T17:14:36  <grzyw> xorAxAx: pong
2007-04-30T17:20:38  <xorAxAx> hi grzyw, how was your vacation? did you memorize the XMPP documents? :)
2007-04-30T17:28:37  <CIA-10> moin: Alexander Schremmer <alex AT alexanderweb DOT de> * 2033:61e81400d164 /MoinMoin/ (config/multiconfig.py security/__init__.py): Add hierarchical ACLs, clean the module doc string of MoinMoin.security.
2007-04-30T17:30:09  <johill> hm. could the bot announce whether it was 1.6 or 1.7?
2007-04-30T17:30:27  <grzyw> xorAxAx: not yet, but it's going well. I'm visiting my family in the mountains atm. ;-)
2007-04-30T17:31:07  <xorAxAx> johill: 1.6 :-)
2007-04-30T17:31:19  <xorAxAx> grzyw: ah
2007-04-30T17:31:45  <johill> xorAxAx: yeah, I found out by checking both, but still :)
2007-04-30T17:32:00  <xorAxAx> maybe thoams can hack the notifier
2007-04-30T18:31:49  <ThomasWaldmann> we'll see on next commit
2007-04-30T18:32:26  <johill> :)
2007-04-30T19:16:07  <dreimark> bb
2007-04-30T19:52:56  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: "hierarchicly"?
2007-04-30T19:54:01  <ThomasWaldmann> "transversing"?
2007-04-30T19:55:39  <ThomasWaldmann> "starting with the leave"?
2007-04-30T20:03:58  * ThomasWaldmann fixes speling
2007-04-30T20:13:54  <CIA-10> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 2034:9c5ba2fa04f7 1.6/MoinMoin/security/__init__.py: security: fix spelling, remove unneeded import
2007-04-30T20:14:05  <johill> yay, it says 1.6 :)
2007-04-30T20:14:23  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2007-04-30T20:15:45  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: you add the docs and CHANGES entry for it hieracl?
2007-04-30T21:44:41  <dreimark> wow spambayes is great
2007-04-30T22:11:46  <lanius> hola
2007-04-30T22:11:53  <lanius> xorAxAx: i added the file data stuff
2007-04-30T22:47:13  <ThomasWaldmann> hi lanius
2007-04-30T22:47:26  <lanius> hi THOMAS
2007-04-30T22:47:29  <lanius> Thomas
2007-04-30T22:47:44  <ThomasWaldmann> read needs size=None default (means: read all)
2007-04-30T22:47:53  <lanius> ok
2007-04-30T22:48:51  * lanius is sitting in the train to bonn, hoping it will soon arrive with only 40 minutes late
2007-04-30T22:50:09  <dreimark> lanius: good luck
2007-04-30T22:51:04  <lanius> that's what i need, since i want to place a few mai-trees this night
2007-04-30T22:52:56  <ThomasWaldmann> train with inet?
2007-04-30T22:53:16  <lanius> it's called umts
2007-04-30T22:53:53  <ThomasWaldmann> e-plus or base?
2007-04-30T22:54:21  <lanius> if the train does not drive too fast it works quite well
2007-04-30T22:54:24  <lanius> vodafone
2007-04-30T22:57:48  <lanius> and it definitively does not drive too fast
2007-04-30T22:59:36  <lanius> i think we arrive, cu
2007-04-30T23:11:02  <dreimark> bbl