MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-27

2007-04-27T03:02:31  <grzywacz> moin
2007-04-27T09:22:13  <dreimark> moin
2007-04-27T09:44:57  <ffesti> moin
2007-04-27T10:48:36  <xorAxAx> hi grzywacz
2007-04-27T13:34:38  <dreimark> hmm, So if you want to help improving the system and help pages, first go to UserPreferences and make an account there. Then contact one of the persons listed on this page, e.g. ThomasWaldmann, and we'll enable your account to do edits.
2007-04-27T13:35:24  <dreimark> tells http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinPagesEditorGroup
2007-04-27T13:36:58  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:How can I enable an account?
2007-04-27T13:37:22  <dreimark> I reverted that to the old versions, seems not to make sense
2007-04-27T13:44:46  <johill> does anybody want to pick up my openid work? it seems unlikely that I'll be able to add the user preferences support for it soon
2007-04-27T13:46:00  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: no, that makes sense, see the ACL line there
2007-04-27T13:47:19  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: the better you specify the stuff todo on a wiki page, the more likely someone does
2007-04-27T13:49:13  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: it's listed on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/JohannesBerg/OpenID_support/client
2007-04-27T13:51:35  <johill> I'll try to do it, but right now I can't promise anything really
2007-04-27T13:52:09  <dreimark>  ThomasWaldmann: ahh ok, reverted back, missed that change
2007-04-27T13:53:27  <dreimark> johill: neagulm is interested in openid too.
2007-04-27T13:57:59  <johill> dreimark: ok
2007-04-27T13:59:35  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: if you want someone else (who is probably not into openid stuff) to help, you need to be much more detailed
2007-04-27T14:00:36  <johill> hm, ok
2007-04-27T14:06:32  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe also make more clear what importance which todo has
2007-04-27T14:06:43  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. what is needed so it gets usable
2007-04-27T14:09:12  <johill> oh it works fine for most use cases now ;)
2007-04-27T14:09:48  <johill> I'll add some more stuff on it
2007-04-27T14:21:19  <alexxed> hello, anyone from the editor group online ?
2007-04-27T14:22:54  <xorAxAx> "editor group"?
2007-04-27T14:23:05  <alexxed> on the website
2007-04-27T14:23:34  <johill> oh moin master?
2007-04-27T14:23:52  <alexxed> yes, MoinPagesEditorGroup
2007-04-27T15:49:49  <lanius> ThomasWaldmann: xorAxAx: did you have a look at my interface specification
2007-04-27T15:50:00  <xorAxAx> not yet
2007-04-27T15:50:07  <xorAxAx> its on my todo list for today
2007-04-27T15:51:25  <lanius> okey :-)
2007-04-27T16:14:17  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-04-27T16:18:05  <ThomasWaldmann> lanius: i had a short look
2007-04-27T16:18:25  <ThomasWaldmann> the namespace stuff is missing because it is also on some higher level?
2007-04-27T16:19:25  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, found it
2007-04-27T16:21:28  <ThomasWaldmann> isnt it rather a BackendDispatcher than a DispatcherBackend?
2007-04-27T16:24:44  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: no, it should implement the same interface therefore it is a backend :-)
2007-04-27T16:26:48  <ThomasWaldmann> a DispatchingBackend maybe? :)
2007-04-27T16:27:25  <lanius> yeah
2007-04-27T16:30:00  <ThomasWaldmann> get/setMetaData is a bit strange
2007-04-27T16:30:10  <ThomasWaldmann> we get all, but we set only one key
2007-04-27T16:30:28  <johill> couldn't the backend give you a dict-like proxy object?
2007-04-27T16:30:47  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: see /TwInput
2007-04-27T16:31:05  <xorAxAx> that was already my input :)
2007-04-27T16:32:10  <ThomasWaldmann> same for the file stuff
2007-04-27T16:32:14  <ThomasWaldmann> (data)
2007-04-27T16:32:56  <johill> :)
2007-04-27T16:33:16  <johill> you're assuming I'm actually looking at it right now ;) in fact, I'm quite busy chasing some kernel bugs
2007-04-27T16:34:33  <ThomasWaldmann> ItemSupport should get another name
2007-04-27T16:35:42  <ThomasWaldmann> if _getitem__ on it gets an Item, it should be maybe just "NameSpace" or "ItemCollection" or ...
2007-04-27T16:36:26  <lanius> i want to make the backend only one class
2007-04-27T16:36:45  <lanius> i think that is the usual operation, that you get all metadata but you set only individual keys
2007-04-27T16:40:10  <ThomasWaldmann> A list of revision numbers is loaded when creating the item.
2007-04-27T16:40:18  <ThomasWaldmann> -> please don't do that
2007-04-27T16:40:53  <xorAxAx> "creating the item"?
2007-04-27T16:40:58  <xorAxAx> it doesnt have any revisions at that time
2007-04-27T16:41:30  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess he means creating the item object
2007-04-27T16:41:58  <ThomasWaldmann> but we mostly don't need to load the revisions list
2007-04-27T16:42:11  <ThomasWaldmann> that should be done lazily
2007-04-27T16:42:54  <ThomasWaldmann> and the current revision must be special cased for performance reasons
2007-04-27T16:45:31  <lanius> ok
2007-04-27T16:46:07  <lanius> sorry, have to leave for 2 hours, but go on posting, i'll read afterwards
2007-04-27T16:48:17  * ThomasWaldmann must leave soon anyway
2007-04-27T18:54:47  <dreimark> bbl
2007-04-27T20:23:42  <xorAxAx> lanius: sorry, maybe i will have time tonight, will go to the sauna now :)
2007-04-27T20:32:39  <lanius> hehe, sounds good, we have sauna all the day here in mannheim
2007-04-27T20:33:33  <lanius> 28 °C and that's only the shadow
2007-04-27T20:43:53  <dreimark> bb
2007-04-27T21:37:02  <neagulm> hello
2007-04-27T21:37:36  <dreimark> hi neagulm
2007-04-27T21:38:06  <dreimark> looks like we have summer here 30 degrees
2007-04-27T22:04:33  <dreimark> neagulm: how is it going on?
2007-04-27T22:05:50  <neagulm> I was away for the last 2 day but now I am working on the PoC that we spook this week
2007-04-27T22:07:48  <dreimark> do you have much sunshine too
2007-04-27T22:07:50  <dreimark> ?
2007-04-27T22:09:20  <neagulm> dreimark, no, max 20 degrees and a bit cloudy...
2007-04-27T22:11:33  <dreimark> the open air bathes are still closed until mid of may unfortunately.
2007-04-27T22:17:08  <neagulm> dreimark, could we use skype or ekiga for a voice/video chat in the next days ?
2007-04-27T22:21:30  <dreimark> neagulm: we can use skype voice. but we have no video, its not implemented for linux
2007-04-27T22:23:11  <neagulm> dreimark, it would be ok for tomorrow ? Because now i don't have a microphone and/or speaker. Better said I have some built-in but they are not supported in linux. acpi problem
2007-04-27T22:24:18  <dreimark> neagulm: its ok,
2007-04-27T22:25:13  <dreimark> that acpi  is sometimes funny, but the configuration of the mixer too
2007-04-27T22:26:47  <dreimark> I solved today someones sound problems by changing nearly every mixer control, he has had no pcm
2007-04-27T22:27:16  <dreimark> neagulm: what is your skype name mine is my wikiname
2007-04-27T22:28:21  <neagulm> dreimark, marian.neagul
2007-04-27T22:29:12  <dreimark> ok, I have no separator in between
2007-04-27T22:35:28  <neagulm> dreimark, currently i'm implementing some action plugins for demo classifications
2007-04-27T22:36:26  <neagulm> dreimark, I think that i will commit tomorrow a demo but I'l have to do some re-factoring in the following days
2007-04-27T22:38:00  <dreimark> yep, some times it takes a bit longer for code to be refactored but the usual way is it becomes refactored
2007-04-27T22:38:18  <dreimark> its a normal process
2007-04-27T23:08:11  <neagulm> dreimark, SB is very nice. Currently I have marked romanian pages in my wiki as Spam and English as Ham and I get a precision grater of 90%
2007-04-27T23:09:24  <neagulm> dreimark, I'm playing around:D
2007-04-27T23:09:43  <dreimark> neagulm: super, last days we have had lots of spam
2007-04-27T23:11:17  <dreimark> may be it could be used to find pages with a wrong language definition too
2007-04-27T23:11:34  <neagulm> dreimark, regarding the enforcing of classification results: we could implement some kind of Turing test and NOT enforce the classification (mainly because it is statistic)
2007-04-27T23:11:48  <neagulm> dreimark, yes, but not with 2-way classification
2007-04-27T23:12:24  <neagulm> dreimark, this means not with SB. It could be used on a mono-Language wiki
2007-04-27T23:12:30  <neagulm> dreimark, brb
2007-04-27T23:14:05  <johill> dspam has a library that is supposed to be able to handle n-way classification
2007-04-27T23:18:38  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-04-27T23:18:59  <neagulm> a wiki is a good playground for text classification
2007-04-27T23:19:17  <neagulm> lots of text that can be classified:)
2007-04-27T23:19:33  <neagulm> clean text
2007-04-27T23:20:58  <neagulm> i have to leave for now, i will be back tomorrow at 11 EET.
2007-04-27T23:21:48  <neagulm> good night
2007-04-27T23:23:26  <dreimark> good night neagulm
2007-04-27T23:43:40  <dreimark> johill:do you know if that has unicode support
2007-04-27T23:46:38  <johill> no, I don't
2007-04-27T23:51:38  <dreimark> gn
2007-04-27T23:53:01  <johill> actually, come to think of it, it used to replace all characters that weren't in a-zA-Z by X. that's long gone, maybe they did unicode support at the same time