MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-07

2007-04-07T01:54:41  <ThomasWaldmann> good news, the bar in the google soc app still shows 5 projects (same amount as initially requested)
2007-04-07T01:55:49  <ThomasWaldmann> (1 without mentor assigned, though. Florian Festi is on vacation.)
2007-04-07T02:07:09  <grzywacz> So, is this the final count of granted slots?
2007-04-07T02:15:18  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe, maybe not. it is preliminary.
2007-04-07T03:09:56  <grzywacz> night
2007-04-07T09:26:00  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: are you sure that the bar is showing it?
2007-04-07T09:26:20  <xorAxAx> ah, the string on the bar changed
2007-04-07T09:26:27  <xorAxAx> "less likely" vs. "not likely"
2007-04-07T09:31:23  <xorAxAx> we have a duplicate
2007-04-07T11:40:03  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: please ask me about the duplicate organisation issue, currently (saturday, 9:35) it looks fine (This message has been postponed.)
2007-04-07T11:40:39  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I ask you about the duplicate organisation issue
2007-04-07T11:40:41  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-04-07T11:41:32  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-04-07T11:42:18  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: it looks like you havent a mentor assigned in the other organisation
2007-04-07T11:42:38  <xorAxAx> it might mean that they dont want you or that they are too slow
2007-04-07T11:44:10  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, could be both, but no problem with that. If you have free slots in Moin, then I'll gladly join your ranks.
2007-04-07T11:44:18  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: yes, it should work out fine
2007-04-07T11:44:32  <xorAxAx> actually, we havent enough good applications to fill our slots
2007-04-07T11:44:37  <xorAxAx> and we already have a duplicate
2007-04-07T11:45:24  <xorAxAx> its completly different from last year :)
2007-04-07T11:45:31  <grzywacz> XMPP SF can be slow, I guess. I've been bugging stpeter for a few days to actually read the applications. :P
2007-04-07T11:46:10  <xorAxAx> is he on irc?
2007-04-07T11:46:32  <grzywacz> I doubt it. He uses jabber (suprise).
2007-04-07T11:46:32  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-04-07T11:46:42  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-04-07T11:46:44  <grzywacz> Can't see him online now.
2007-04-07T11:46:49  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: google guys and gals told it. the bar inscription also changed slightly.
2007-04-07T11:46:54  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yep
2007-04-07T11:48:55  <ThomasWaldmann> pity that the theming guy vanished
2007-04-07T11:50:19  <ThomasWaldmann> would've been a nice project. either to be a great success or end discussions about why we don't use a templating engine. :-P
2007-04-07T11:51:03  <grzywacz> :D
2007-04-07T11:52:40  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well
2007-04-07T11:52:45  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: we will have to choose him
2007-04-07T11:52:49  <xorAxAx> because we have a duplicate
2007-04-07T11:53:13  <ThomasWaldmann> a nice side effect of the templating work could've been some more "kill send_page, quick"
2007-04-07T11:54:31  <xorAxAx> and you may want to resolve the issue
2007-04-07T11:54:49  <ThomasWaldmann> jakub showed up here?
2007-04-07T11:54:55  <xorAxAx> currently reimar requested mentorship, but it seems it wont work out
2007-04-07T11:55:02  <xorAxAx> cant remember
2007-04-07T11:57:43  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, posted a public comment to him
2007-04-07T11:58:16  <xorAxAx> we need to know if he is likely to be accepted
2007-04-07T11:58:27  <xorAxAx> only the PSF will know that ... i have been trying to contact PSF mentors
2007-04-07T11:59:14  <ThomasWaldmann> they could be rather busy right now. discussing all the slots they likely got. :D
2007-04-07T12:01:59  <xorAxAx> Student Major: Rektorat der Ruhr-Universität Bochum
2007-04-07T12:02:01  <xorAxAx> ROTFL
2007-04-07T12:03:10  <grzywacz> uh
2007-04-07T12:03:10  <ThomasWaldmann> jo
2007-04-07T12:04:27  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: he understood "major" as kind of mayor
2007-04-07T12:10:27  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, so it seems. ;)
2007-04-07T13:29:31  * ThomasWaldmann send some emails to resolve the issues with jakub g. and florian k.
2007-04-07T13:33:37  * ThomasWaldmann sent some invitations to this channel
2007-04-07T13:34:21  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: did you look at mercurial already?
2007-04-07T13:37:12  <RobertBachmann> hello
2007-04-07T13:37:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hey :)
2007-04-07T13:42:27  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, yes.
2007-04-07T13:42:45  <ThomasWaldmann> and it worked? :)
2007-04-07T13:43:06  <grzywacz> Hah, yes. ;-) But I've only made a few operations on a local repo.
2007-04-07T13:43:28  <grzywacz> It's vastly different from centralised rcs systems, but I can handle it. ;p
2007-04-07T13:48:14  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, what was your xmpp app about?
2007-04-07T13:55:55  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: RobertBachmann: did you look at eclipse and pydev yet?
2007-04-07T13:57:14  <RobertBachmann> eclipse is very slow at my PC
2007-04-07T13:58:26  <ThomasWaldmann> well, it needs a reasonable cpu and quite some ram (1GHz+, 512MB is maybe the minimum)
2007-04-07T13:58:42  <ThomasWaldmann> but it offers quite a productivity boost
2007-04-07T13:59:21  <ThomasWaldmann> RobertBachmann: what cpu and how much memory do you have?
2007-04-07T14:00:12  <RobertBachmann> AMD Athlon 1GHz and 256MB RAM
2007-04-07T14:00:20  <ThomasWaldmann> today hardware is cheaper than developer time usually
2007-04-07T14:01:22  * ThomasWaldmann guesses a new machine is already on the wishlist :)
2007-04-07T14:04:05  <RobertBachmann> yes a new machine is on my wishlist, upgrading the old one wouldn't make much sense
2007-04-07T14:14:53  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, yes, both. I use eclipse, but haven't touched pydev in a long time. Is it mature now? ;)
2007-04-07T14:18:09  <ThomasWaldmann> works good
2007-04-07T14:18:44  <ThomasWaldmann> it emits a bit too much warnings when checking the code, but that isn't specific to pydev, pylint does the same
2007-04-07T14:24:02  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. the debugger is very nice when used with moin standalone
2007-04-07T14:26:48  <ThomasWaldmann> you just start moin.py from it and when it crashes, you click into the traceback and it jumps to the code location in the editor
2007-04-07T14:27:25  <ThomasWaldmann> you can also set breakpoints and single step through stuff, observe stackframes, attributes...
2007-04-07T14:27:32  <grzywacz> nice
2007-04-07T14:28:05  <ThomasWaldmann> you can save lots of time with it
2007-04-07T14:29:36  <ThomasWaldmann> and even the few $$ for the pydev extensions make sense.
2007-04-07T16:06:12  <RobertBachmann> okay, I've tried to install pydev (needed to install a newer version of eclipse), it seems to work.
2007-04-07T16:19:21  <grzywacz> Is there a mercurial plugin for eclipse?
2007-04-07T16:21:14  <xorAxAx> yes, called "mercurial eclipse"
2007-04-07T16:25:18  <grzywacz> Ok, great.
2007-04-07T16:33:49  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: if you test it with eclipse 3.2, please use latest devel/beta version and tell us if it works.
2007-04-07T16:34:05  <grzywacz> m'kay
2007-04-07T16:34:19  <grzywacz> I use 3.2, because it's the only version which CUSP supports. :D
2007-04-07T16:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> and start eclipse from a xterm to see stdout
2007-04-07T16:52:14  <grzywacz> Nothing printed in stdout.
2007-04-07T16:52:23  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, could you link me to a repository? Website seems to be down atm.
2007-04-07T16:53:19  <ThomasWaldmann> retry
2007-04-07T16:54:18  <grzywacz> Ok.
2007-04-07T16:56:03  <grzywacz> Mercurial clone repository http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.6 failed: Mercurial operation failed: clone: invalid arguments
2007-04-07T16:56:06  <grzywacz> huh
2007-04-07T16:57:24  <ThomasWaldmann> your cmdline?
2007-04-07T16:57:47  <grzywacz> That's eclipse's stdout. :)
2007-04-07T16:58:03  <grzywacz> Was trying to make a clone with mercurial plugin.
2007-04-07T16:59:33  <ThomasWaldmann> didnt it print the cmdline it used?
2007-04-07T17:00:00  <grzywacz> no
2007-04-07T17:00:55  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe mv hg hg.orig and make a new hg that echoes the cmdline and then calls hg.orig
2007-04-07T17:04:09  <ThomasWaldmann> URL: http://home.zingo.org/eclipse-betaupdate/  are you using this or later code?
2007-04-07T17:07:00  <grzywacz> Hm, the one from plugin's site. I'll try with your url.
2007-04-07T17:08:39  <grzywacz> Is this http://home.zingo.org/eclipse-betaupdate/plugins/com.vectrace.MercurialEclipse_0.1.84.jar ok?
2007-04-07T17:15:58  <grzywacz> Close doesn't work with this version. It doesn't even launch "hg" it seems, becaue I've added some text which doesn't get printed at all.
2007-04-07T17:15:59  <ThomasWaldmann> i didnt try yet, this is just citing a mail from zingo
2007-04-07T17:16:25  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, he likes to get bug reports :)
2007-04-07T17:17:19  <grzywacz> Is he on irc by any chance? ;)
2007-04-07T17:18:24  <ThomasWaldmann> no idea
2007-04-07T17:23:50  <grzywacz> This problem has already been reported.
2007-04-07T17:31:48  <ThomasWaldmann> add a comment to it, so he gets notified again :)
2007-04-07T17:32:02  <ThomasWaldmann> still happens with ...
2007-04-07T17:33:11  <grzywacz> Have you tried using Mylar along with PyDev?
2007-04-07T17:33:53  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2007-04-07T17:36:51  <ThomasWaldmann> but even if eclipse integration doesnt work, we can still type in a hg command on the cmdline :)
2007-04-07T17:38:36  <grzywacz> I've already done that. ;)
2007-04-07T18:11:06  * ThomasWaldmann improves Page*.py comments
2007-04-07T18:20:15  * grzywacz curses his small monitor
2007-04-07T18:20:36  <grzywacz> Eclipse is annoying at 1024x768
2007-04-07T18:20:52  <xorAxAx> yep
2007-04-07T18:21:13  <ThomasWaldmann> you dont need all windows at once :)
2007-04-07T18:21:35  * ThomasWaldmann uses 1280x800
2007-04-07T18:27:35  <grzywacz> 1280 is much better.
2007-04-07T18:29:21  <grzywacz> I wonder if second monitor helps. ;)
2007-04-07T18:30:26  <grzywacz> I must say that code highlightning looks *much* better in this version of pydev.
2007-04-07T18:33:20  <ThomasWaldmann> big tfts are cheap those days
2007-04-07T18:33:59  * ThomasWaldmann uses 2x 1200x1600 at the office
2007-04-07T18:36:32  <grzywacz> Students are always poor. :D
2007-04-07T18:37:27  <ThomasWaldmann> except those participating in GSOC :)
2007-04-07T18:40:13  <ThomasWaldmann> (except the poor guys who have to mentor :-P )
2007-04-07T18:43:38  <grzywacz> Maybe those who have finished gsoc ;D
2007-04-07T18:47:54  <xorAxAx> well, its about knowing ones limits, expectations and self-assurance
2007-04-07T18:48:17  <xorAxAx> i think keppy might have booked 1000 EUR plane tickets before he completed soc 2006
2007-04-07T18:48:37  <xorAxAx> at least i can happily imagine  him doing so
2007-04-07T18:49:08  <xorAxAx> unfortunately, he didnt get a positive review at the end
2007-04-07T18:54:17  <grzywacz> I'm very conservative when it comes to spending my money, so if I feel desperate I'll attach the old crt and see how much it helps to have a really wide desktop. ;)
2007-04-07T18:55:22  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: thats good :)
2007-04-07T18:55:30  <xorAxAx> better than flying for 2000 EUR through the world like keppy
2007-04-07T18:56:06  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: maybe dont spread rumors, even if funny X)
2007-04-07T18:56:28  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: well, he talked about his plans here :)
2007-04-07T18:59:40  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, when was that "kill send_page(), quick" from JH?
2007-04-07T19:00:01  <xorAxAx> you mean a source code comment=
2007-04-07T19:00:11  <grzywacz> Wait. Is this all his code? ;)
2007-04-07T19:00:25  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: the changesets, yes
2007-04-07T19:01:09  <grzywacz> Right.
2007-04-07T19:04:12  <grzywacz> Does moin have any official translators?
2007-04-07T19:04:51  <grzywacz> Like people actively involved in maintaining other language versions?
2007-04-07T19:06:18  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: see moinmaster wiki
2007-04-07T19:06:27  <grzywacz> ok
2007-04-07T19:09:47  <xorAxAx> there is even a polish translation, not sure if it is still polished, though
2007-04-07T19:10:18  <grzywacz> That's why I've asked in the first place. I have some kind of translation-obsession after having worked on polish version of wesnoth. ;)
2007-04-07T19:13:28  <xorAxAx> moinmaster can tell you
2007-04-07T19:13:47  <xorAxAx> 403 translated messages, 73 fuzzy translations, 79 untranslated messages.
2007-04-07T19:13:53  <xorAxAx> not very polished :)
2007-04-07T19:14:01  <xorAxAx> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinI18n/pl
2007-04-07T19:14:40  <grzywacz> I see.
2007-04-07T19:15:00  <grzywacz> I see it's a plain gettext?
2007-04-07T19:15:05  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-04-07T19:15:23  <grzywacz> 8)
2007-04-07T20:14:29  * ThomasWaldmann updated http://hg.thinkmo.de/doc/moin/1.6/
2007-04-07T20:43:11  <grzywacz> mozilla-thunder invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
2007-04-07T20:43:17  <grzywacz> yay, great success -_-;
2007-04-07T20:45:53  <ThomasWaldmann> for great justice!
2007-04-07T20:47:44  <grzywacz> My hardware really fails at swapping. When it starts everything stops for 5-10 minutes.
2007-04-07T20:48:55  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe give memtest86+ and dft a try
2007-04-07T20:50:18  <grzywacz> I think it's related to sata.
2007-04-07T20:52:18  <ThomasWaldmann> kernel?
2007-04-07T20:52:47  <grzywacz> Could be, but I think someone would have already noticed that linux becomes completly unusable in low memory condition.
2007-04-07T20:52:57  <grzywacz> It used to behave well on my old pata board.
2007-04-07T20:53:23  * ThomasWaldmann did lots of sata machines recently
2007-04-07T20:53:25  <grzywacz> Anyway, running double g++, eclipse and some mozilla apps on 512 megs of ram is asking for trouble.
2007-04-07T20:53:44  <grzywacz> And kde on top of that. :D
2007-04-07T20:55:37  <grzywacz> (Gigabyte GA-K8NE with nForce4-4X and a SATA2 HD)
2007-04-07T20:56:43  <ThomasWaldmann> that should work. i would use those 2 tests to make sure if mem and hdd is completely ok.
2007-04-07T21:13:44  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, for development work, you could use fluxbox wm, this should save some valuable ram
2007-04-07T21:14:45  <ThomasWaldmann> (needs 3MB memory)
2007-04-07T21:16:28  <xorAxAx> i think the sanest idea would be not to use eclipse
2007-04-07T21:16:40  * xorAxAx had to use eclipse on 512 MB for 2 years
2007-04-07T21:21:43  <ThomasWaldmann> eclipse eats lots of ram while you work with it, but it does something useful: increasing productivity (while kde does more or less nothing what you need while coding)
2007-04-07T21:22:17  <xorAxAx> depends on how you use
2007-04-07T22:02:15  <grzywacz> re
2007-04-07T22:02:19  <grzywacz> Memory is more or less ok. ;)
2007-04-07T22:18:46  <grzywacz> Short self-test shows no errors as well...
2007-04-07T22:22:04  <ThomasWaldmann> more or less? X)
2007-04-07T23:39:09  <grzywacz> More, but I ran only 4 passes. :p
2007-04-07T23:46:49  * xorAxAx is currently negotiating jakub
2007-04-07T23:46:52  <xorAxAx> with the psf
2007-04-07T23:57:47  <xorAxAx> i have donated him to the PSF :-)
2007-04-07T23:57:57  <xorAxAx> because he has submitted a pypy project (writing a scheme backend)
2007-04-07T23:58:01  <xorAxAx> and pypy has only 2 applications