MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2006-10-02

2006-10-02T08:16:20  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-10-02T12:44:25  <birkenfeld> moin
2006-10-02T12:44:40  <xorAxAx> hi birkenfeld
2006-10-02T12:55:08  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: do you have script or some kind of setup to build mmde?
2006-10-02T12:55:28  <ThomasWaldmann> I could need some easy to install thing for JK
2006-10-02T12:56:17  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: the scripts are online
2006-10-02T12:56:28  <xorAxAx> do you need a special version of it?
2006-10-02T12:56:36  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.6.current
2006-10-02T12:56:42  <ThomasWaldmann> windows
2006-10-02T12:56:45  <xorAxAx> hmm, yeah, makes sense
2006-10-02T12:57:33  <ThomasWaldmann> we could also offer it for public DL "for the brave" :)
2006-10-02T12:58:52  <xorAxAx> there is a howtobuild page
2006-10-02T12:58:58  <xorAxAx> with all scripts and instructions
2006-10-02T13:03:03  <birkenfeld> is there a formatter method for monospace that doesn't convert spaces to &nbsp;?
2006-10-02T13:04:30  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: how about putting it into contrib/mmde/ ?
2006-10-02T13:05:40  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, possible, yes
2006-10-02T13:05:50  <xorAxAx> but its a windows batch file :)
2006-10-02T13:06:11  <xorAxAx> hmm, wineconsole cmd.exe foo.bat :)
2006-10-02T13:06:29  <xorAxAx> i will look at doing that when i have finished the next exam
2006-10-02T13:06:50  * ThomasWaldmann needs it now :)
2006-10-02T13:07:46  <birkenfeld> nothing?
2006-10-02T13:08:48  <ThomasWaldmann> birkenfeld:  no idea
2006-10-02T13:09:30  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: then download it
2006-10-02T13:09:38  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2006-10-02T13:51:58  <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: maybe its not possible, you have to check the code
2006-10-02T13:52:16  <xorAxAx> birkenfeld: but you can submit patches to introduce a kwarg :)
2006-10-02T14:02:44  <birkenfeld> xorAxAx: maybe
2006-10-02T14:04:20  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: why do you remove OmniExplorer from spider ua list?
2006-10-02T14:05:27  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: umm, i didnt have a specific intention, i guess its a patching artefact
2006-10-02T14:05:42  <xorAxAx> i.e. i suspect that its the bot that you added last
2006-10-02T14:07:14  <ThomasWaldmann> your patch explicitely removes it
2006-10-02T14:07:24  <ThomasWaldmann> well, I guess we don't need that hunk
2006-10-02T14:10:44  <xorAxAx> sure, i didnt review it well enough then
2006-10-02T14:10:58  <xorAxAx> i introduced mq for the last release
2006-10-02T14:12:26  * ThomasWaldmann just modifies isSuperUser() instead of attachfile patch and introduce cfg. or config.DesktopEdition = True
2006-10-02T14:14:51  <xorAxAx> yeah, sensible :)
2006-10-02T14:27:36  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: is there some special reason you patch multiconfig and not just do that path stuff in wikiconfig.py?
2006-10-02T14:28:30  <xorAxAx> hmm, no
2006-10-02T14:28:45  <xorAxAx> initially, my goal was to ship as few toplevel files as possible
2006-10-02T14:28:57  <xorAxAx> and keep the config very simple
2006-10-02T14:29:47  <ThomasWaldmann> we could move that stuff to wikiconfig to keep rest of mm as simple as possible <g>
2006-10-02T14:30:10  <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe add some ## DONT TOUCH THIS around :)
2006-10-02T14:32:12  <xorAxAx> hmm, multiconfig could do that setup automatically if MMDE is detected
2006-10-02T14:34:45  <ThomasWaldmann> i just moved it to wikiconfig
2006-10-02T14:35:08  <ThomasWaldmann> FrontPage needs to get changed
2006-10-02T14:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> try:
2006-10-02T14:56:00  <ThomasWaldmann>     if sys.version_info[:3] < (2, 3, 0):
2006-10-02T14:56:00  <ThomasWaldmann>         raise PythonTooOldError
2006-10-02T14:56:00  <ThomasWaldmann> except:
2006-10-02T14:56:00  <ThomasWaldmann>     sys.exit("Unfortunately, your installed Python is too old. Please download at "
2006-10-02T14:56:07  <ThomasWaldmann> why raise?
2006-10-02T14:56:44  <xorAxAx> in order to get into the except branch :)
2006-10-02T15:07:55  <ThomasWaldmann> and why do you need try/except at all?
2006-10-02T15:10:55  <xorAxAx> because old pythons dont have version_info or it is not a tuple
2006-10-02T15:11:12  <xorAxAx> stability principle ..
2006-10-02T15:11:29  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2006-10-02T15:11:35  <ThomasWaldmann> another thing:
2006-10-02T15:11:43  <ThomasWaldmann> if __name__ == '__main__': # Run moin moin server: run(Config)
2006-10-02T15:11:56  <ThomasWaldmann> (insert correct wrapping :)
2006-10-02T15:12:01  <xorAxAx> wrapping?
2006-10-02T15:12:10  <ThomasWaldmann> this is how moin.py from main branch does it
2006-10-02T15:12:20  <ThomasWaldmann> you removed the "if ..."?
2006-10-02T15:12:25  <xorAxAx> ?
2006-10-02T15:12:29  <xorAxAx> so?
2006-10-02T15:12:34  <ThomasWaldmann> if __name__ == '__main__':
2006-10-02T15:12:42  <ThomasWaldmann> this is missing from mmde
2006-10-02T15:12:43  <xorAxAx> yeah, where is the point doing so?
2006-10-02T15:12:57  <ThomasWaldmann> so you can import or test the file without running it
2006-10-02T15:12:58  <xorAxAx> doesnt make sense for modules that are not imported
2006-10-02T15:13:08  <ThomasWaldmann> lint or whatever
2006-10-02T15:13:27  <xorAxAx> hmm, pylint works on ast level
2006-10-02T15:13:30  <ThomasWaldmann> does that if make a problem on windows?
2006-10-02T15:13:42  <xorAxAx> no, but i dont know if its ok for py2exe
2006-10-02T15:13:51  <xorAxAx> and deleted code is bugfree code :)
2006-10-02T15:15:49  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll just try it with the "if"
2006-10-02T15:30:27  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, if we could move wikiconfig.py and moin.py to toplevel dir, one could run standard moin directly after unpacking
2006-10-02T15:39:12  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, that stuff needs a win32 development system
2006-10-02T15:40:12  <xorAxAx> py2exe needs win32?
2006-10-02T15:40:40  <xorAxAx> the other stuff is mainly about packing and patching, you dont need win32 for that :)
2006-10-02T15:41:31  <ThomasWaldmann> sed, 7zip, cmd, \ in pathes, ...
2006-10-02T15:42:15  <xorAxAx> yeah, just try to understand them
2006-10-02T15:42:23  <xorAxAx> of course /bin/sh cannot execute them
2006-10-02T15:42:32  <xorAxAx> but most of those commands is not essential ...
2006-10-02T15:46:39  * ThomasWaldmann pushed
2006-10-02T16:12:35  * ThomasWaldmann changes location of test wikiconfig.py
2006-10-02T21:07:19  * xorAxAx removed the storage refactoring mirror
2006-10-02T21:11:15  <ThomasWaldmann> mvirkkil: still alife? from time to time, I ask myself how we proceed with your stuff...
2006-10-02T21:11:45  <birkenfeld> where has Kepplar gone?
2006-10-02T21:12:10  <xorAxAx> gone like the wind writing industry grade code
2006-10-02T21:12:56  <birkenfeld> somehow I guessed that
2006-10-02T21:13:14  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, google didnt contact me yet
2006-10-02T21:13:28  <xorAxAx> wrt the usa?
2006-10-02T21:13:35  <xorAxAx> there is still some time left
2006-10-02T21:13:41  <xorAxAx> or do you mean with his issues?
2006-10-02T21:13:54  <ThomasWaldmann> no, wrt kepplar
2006-10-02T21:14:18  <xorAxAx> heh, then i think they wont in the future
2006-10-02T21:15:23  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, could we build mmde on linux?
2006-10-02T21:15:43  <ThomasWaldmann> (the exe stuff)
2006-10-02T21:15:51  <xorAxAx> i didnt try it
2006-10-02T21:16:02  <xorAxAx> try it
2006-10-02T21:16:21  <xorAxAx> but it needs to get the dlls from somewhere
2006-10-02T21:16:26  <xorAxAx> so i guess it doesnt work
2006-10-02T21:17:03  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i will just get it going with a moin.py in tld
2006-10-02T21:17:25  <xorAxAx> where does he want to deploy it?
2006-10-02T21:17:30  <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe move the path stuff back to the config
2006-10-02T21:17:41  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess on windows 2k/xp
2006-10-02T21:17:50  <xorAxAx> he could install python there ...
2006-10-02T21:18:01  <xorAxAx> so no need for a py2exe packaged one
2006-10-02T21:18:15  <xorAxAx> esp. in a cooperate environment, it should be quite easy to roll out a msi file
2006-10-02T21:21:47  <ThomasWaldmann> the corp env is his notebook :)
2006-10-02T21:22:56  <xorAxAx> just for himself?
2006-10-02T21:23:12  <xorAxAx> do you remember his edit claiming that moin isnt rolled out yet because of the gui editor? :)
2006-10-02T21:23:17  <xorAxAx> is that true?
2006-10-02T21:24:40  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2006-10-02T21:25:13  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess you mix up some things
2006-10-02T21:25:35  <xorAxAx> you are talking about whom?
2006-10-02T21:25:44  <xorAxAx> thats the problem about intial letters :)
2006-10-02T21:26:39  <ThomasWaldmann> about the emailtowiki user
2006-10-02T21:26:51  <xorAxAx> ah ... ok
2006-10-02T21:27:14  <xorAxAx> JJK vs. JK