MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2006-09-04

2006-09-04T00:09:45  <xorAxAx> hmm, theoretically, badcontent could be "synced" against moinmaster
2006-09-04T00:09:48  <xorAxAx> bidirectionally
2006-09-04T00:11:29  <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if i would like the other direction
2006-09-04T00:11:47  <xorAxAx> yeah, i am not sure either
2006-09-04T00:11:55  <ThomasWaldmann> some people are not very careful with regexes
2006-09-04T00:12:15  <xorAxAx> yeah
2006-09-04T00:12:19  <ThomasWaldmann> recently some mediawiki guy put cs\.com on their list
2006-09-04T00:12:24  <xorAxAx> hehe
2006-09-04T00:12:31  <xorAxAx> and you merge it into moinmaster?
2006-09-04T00:12:41  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2006-09-04T00:17:15  <ThomasWaldmann> what do you think, for spamming attempts, return 200 and let them die dumb or return some error?
2006-09-04T00:17:42  <xorAxAx> what are spamming attempts?
2006-09-04T00:17:57  <ThomasWaldmann> if you press multiple buttons of a form at once
2006-09-04T00:18:35  <xorAxAx> some error is better
2006-09-04T00:18:42  <xorAxAx> if they are so dump, they dont mind either
2006-09-04T00:18:53  <ThomasWaldmann> why is it better?
2006-09-04T00:18:54  <xorAxAx> but others that are incorrectly detected as evil do
2006-09-04T00:19:17  <ThomasWaldmann> 403?
2006-09-04T00:19:37  <ThomasWaldmann> i could also use "payment required" :)
2006-09-04T00:19:53  <xorAxAx> heh
2006-09-04T00:31:51  <ThomasWaldmann> it already catched 3 attempts in the last 20mins
2006-09-04T00:57:22  <Kepplar> hey
2006-09-04T00:57:27  * Kepplar tries wiki to see if it works
2006-09-04T00:59:54  <Kepplar> ok
2006-09-04T01:00:01  <Kepplar> next gen page has the slightly updated diagram
2006-09-04T01:00:04  <Kepplar> well it should do.
2006-09-04T01:00:09  <Kepplar> ..lagging badly.
2006-09-04T09:58:57  <Kepplar> moin
2006-09-04T10:02:30  <birkenfeld> moin
2006-09-04T12:45:43  <richardb> moin
2006-09-04T12:45:51  <richardb> ThomasWaldmann: have got your emails.
2006-09-04T12:46:06  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, moin richardb
2006-09-04T12:46:16  <richardb> ThomasWaldmann: actually, I replied to the first a few days ago...
2006-09-04T12:46:24  <ThomasWaldmann> uh, really?
2006-09-04T12:46:25  <richardb> I think my mail setup is broken.
2006-09-04T12:46:33  <ThomasWaldmann> (or my spam filter)
2006-09-04T12:46:34  <richardb> Have had other reports of things going missing.
2006-09-04T12:46:54  <richardb> I'll check into that later, but right now, I'm doing the survey. ;-)
2006-09-04T12:47:07  <ThomasWaldmann> great :)
2006-09-04T12:49:04  <ThomasWaldmann> richardb: do you need a test wiki for your report?
2006-09-04T12:49:20  <ThomasWaldmann> or did you test enough already?
2006-09-04T12:49:24  <richardb> Um, I've got a local test.
2006-09-04T12:49:28  <richardb> Should be enough.
2006-09-04T12:49:30  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2006-09-04T12:57:14  <Kepplar> hi
2006-09-04T12:58:10  <ThomasWaldmann> moin Kepplar
2006-09-04T12:58:27  <Kepplar> you see diagram?
2006-09-04T13:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i saw it, but i don't get much out of it
2006-09-04T13:30:45  <Kepplar> oh
2006-09-04T13:30:53  <Kepplar> well its a simple object diagram...
2006-09-04T13:31:20  <Kepplar> i can't draw anymore, others will have to contribute into the rest of moin as it is
2006-09-04T13:54:48  <xorAxAx> i finally found a reason why moin doesnt have a good arabic translation yet (article in german): http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/23/23227/1.html
2006-09-04T13:55:05  <xorAxAx> " Die arabische Sprache ist gegenüber der Terminologie der Wissenschaft regelrecht "unfreundlich". Diese Nomenklatur ist weder harmonisch noch versöhnt mit der Sprache. Dadurch, daß in vielen Schulen die wissenschaftlichen Fächer in Französisch oder Englisch erteilt werden, wird das wissenschaftliche Denken von unser arabischen Sprache abgekoppelt. Übersetzungen sind schwierig oder gar unmöglich."
2006-09-04T16:41:02  <Kepplar> hello?
2006-09-04T17:03:50  <birkenfeld> hello kepplar
2006-09-04T17:07:14  <Kepplar> sorry was just wondering people were awknowedging the diagram that they need to add to
2006-09-04T17:19:38  * ThomasWaldmann is neither good at nor used to drawing diagrams, so don't expect me to do it
2006-09-04T17:20:28  <Kepplar> Well there nothing going to happen code wise
2006-09-04T17:21:05  <Kepplar> I really dont know how you survive with diagrams, its fundemental tool for software enginners
2006-09-04T17:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> is also dont know how i survive with diagrams :)
2006-09-04T17:22:05  <Kepplar> Well storage integration was hacked before because I didnt know the architecture because there was no diagrams and no one would explain it
2006-09-04T17:24:01  <birkenfeld> good thing I'm not a software engineer, that means I don't have to use diagrams
2006-09-04T17:26:57  <Kepplar> well i prefer diagrams then essays :P
2006-09-04T17:29:56  <birkenfeld> I think I prefer the only universal language
2006-09-04T17:30:31  <ThomasWaldmann> python? :)
2006-09-04T17:30:39  <birkenfeld> Maths
2006-09-04T17:30:50  <birkenfeld> ;)
2006-09-04T17:31:40  <ThomasWaldmann> we could prove that moin bug count must be finite :))
2006-09-04T17:33:52  <Kepplar> so how do you want to proceed?
2006-09-04T17:37:41  <ThomasWaldmann> my personal next steps are clear: write a 1.6 converter (unrelated), cleanup some stuff
2006-09-04T17:37:58  <ThomasWaldmann> then it should be easier to do whatever we want to do then
2006-09-04T17:39:49  <ThomasWaldmann> see that step by step page
2006-09-04T17:42:42  <Kepplar> the convertor i atempted
2006-09-04T17:42:49  <Kepplar> thats what Page, user etc are
2006-09-04T17:42:51  <Kepplar> in storage
2006-09-04T17:47:24  <ThomasWaldmann> the converter I speak of is unrelated to your topic, it is mostly about new handling _ and blank all over the place
2006-09-04T17:48:10  <Kepplar> _
2006-09-04T17:48:11  <Kepplar> ?
2006-09-04T18:23:15  <ThomasWaldmann> some time ago I implemented using _ for spaces in URLs to have them look pretty
2006-09-04T18:23:26  <ThomasWaldmann> (== like mediawiki does it)
2006-09-04T18:24:15  <ThomasWaldmann> some less time ago, I found this was a bad idea, as one needs _ for _ in filenames in the URL
2006-09-04T18:24:30  <ThomasWaldmann> thus, I removed using _ for space again in 1.6
2006-09-04T18:25:02  <ThomasWaldmann> what I need to write now, is a converter from old format to new.
2006-09-04T18:26:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (and also convert some %20 stuff in attachment markup to new quoting method
2006-09-04T19:05:53  <xorAxAx> the good thing is that page contents is unrelated to storage :)
2006-09-04T19:33:41  <ThomasWaldmann> hah
2006-09-04T20:14:45  * xorAxAx starts merging CHANGES
2006-09-04T21:22:56  <mitsuhiko> ThomasWaldmann: nooooooooooooo. does that mean wiki.myhost.com/My%20Cool%20Page?
2006-09-04T21:32:58  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: will it break external links?
2006-09-04T21:34:05  <xorAxAx> IMHO the internal link scheme doesnt need to be coupled to the external one in this regard
2006-09-04T21:34:11  <xorAxAx> i.e. we can allow _ and %20
2006-09-04T22:15:47  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2006-09-04T23:29:48  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: now if you have any performance problems, you can use py 2.5 and thread monitor without any speed penalty
2006-09-04T23:54:22  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you have broken the wiki parser for the page SyntaxReference
2006-09-04T23:54:31  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: just try to render it to see the bug
2006-09-04T23:54:47  <xorAxAx> (the first incorrect line is "unterstrichen")