MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2006-06-27

2006-06-27T01:42:32  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: I'm here now and didn't drink too much alcohol.. if you are here we can discuss ;)
2006-06-27T01:47:48  <fpletz> ok, will go to bed.. later today
2006-06-27T08:42:43  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-06-27T08:44:48  <mvirkkil> ThomasWaldmann: moin
2006-06-27T08:50:58  <Kepplar> moin
2006-06-27T11:21:22  <xorAxAx> fpletz: have you got the cheque already?
2006-06-27T11:45:56  <mvirkkil> xorAxAx: Have you?
2006-06-27T12:02:19  <Kepplar> O_o
2006-06-27T12:02:20  <Kepplar> money?!
2006-06-27T12:06:14  <xorAxAx> nope
2006-06-27T12:06:24  <xorAxAx> but some yankies have already
2006-06-27T12:06:41  <xorAxAx> i hope that i get a phonecall by the delivery agent today
2006-06-27T12:06:54  <xorAxAx> in order to schedule a delivery for the notebook
2006-06-27T12:13:37  <Kepplar> ;)
2006-06-27T12:14:37  <xorAxAx> they even ship in the evening
2006-06-27T12:14:42  <xorAxAx> nice service
2006-06-27T12:20:40  <ThomasWaldmann> notebook?
2006-06-27T12:21:50  <Kepplar>  yea
2006-06-27T12:21:56  <Kepplar> google's fantastic present
2006-06-27T12:22:06  <Kepplar> a google paper notebook
2006-06-27T12:22:10  <Kepplar> worth about $5
2006-06-27T12:22:26  <Kepplar> shipped on international express costing about $30 to ship
2006-06-27T12:24:05  <ThomasWaldmann> lol
2006-06-27T12:24:40  <ThomasWaldmann> paged memory up to new horizons
2006-06-27T12:24:47  <Kepplar> lol
2006-06-27T12:24:58  <fpletz> moin
2006-06-27T12:25:01  <Kepplar> moin1
2006-06-27T12:25:07  <fpletz> xorAxAx: nope, just got the notebook yesterday
2006-06-27T12:25:12  <Kepplar> :S
2006-06-27T12:25:17  <Kepplar> i got mine about 2 weeks ago
2006-06-27T12:30:26  <ThomasWaldmann> as a general note, keep in mind that student progress mid term evaluations are due June 30
2006-06-27T12:32:38  <xorAxAx> and if they are not submitted, then the mentor doesnt get any money :)
2006-06-27T12:33:01  <ThomasWaldmann> and the student gets kicked
2006-06-27T12:33:12  <xorAxAx> i am not sure about that
2006-06-27T12:33:30  <ThomasWaldmann> Note that not completing the mid-term survey is the equivalent of
2006-06-27T12:33:31  <ThomasWaldmann> stating that you do not think your student has made sufficient progress
2006-06-27T12:33:31  <ThomasWaldmann> on the project.  Please ensure that you complete the surveys promptly.
2006-06-27T12:33:43  <xorAxAx> oh, thats bad
2006-06-27T12:34:01  <xorAxAx> imagine the mentor doesnt show up ... :)
2006-06-27T12:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> To be clear, your student does not need to be "half-way" done in order
2006-06-27T12:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> to receive a positive evaluation from you.  The criteria for judgement
2006-06-27T12:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> at this stage is whether or not you feel that s/he has made sufficient
2006-06-27T12:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> progress to date on the goals of the project and your confidence in
2006-06-27T12:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> her/his ability to execute on the project's goals by the end of the
2006-06-27T12:34:05  <ThomasWaldmann> program.  Students who have not made sufficient progress to date will
2006-06-27T12:34:07  <ThomasWaldmann> be dropped from the program and will receive no further payments from
2006-06-27T12:34:10  <ThomasWaldmann> Google.
2006-06-27T12:34:12  <ThomasWaldmann> (from the mailing list, LH)
2006-06-27T12:34:43  <mvirkkil> serious business...
2006-06-27T12:42:14  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: my issue with the commits are that while refactoring or rewriting code you often find yourself in situations where other solutions would be more suitable, so you end up having a lot of commits touching the same code, therefore wasting diskspace and cluttering the history
2006-06-27T12:43:40  <ThomasWaldmann> one commit per day is requested. you should try to manage that.
2006-06-27T12:44:54  <ThomasWaldmann> s/commit/push to public repo/
2006-06-27T12:45:56  <fpletz> mmh, okay, will try
2006-06-27T12:47:07  <ThomasWaldmann> (that was for all students, not only fpletz, of course)
2006-06-27T12:56:21  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: btw. you're right with MoinMoin/search/ I'm going to do this today along with some other cleanups to make the system extensible (for example the prefix stuff could be generalized, we will make heavy use of this) to make the system easily extensible, not only for adding other search engines
2006-06-27T14:45:58  <Kepplar> ot of interest, whats the form like?
2006-06-27T14:50:12  <xorAxAx> multiple choice ...
2006-06-27T14:52:59  <ThomasWaldmann> -        # Set Character set.
2006-06-27T14:52:59  <ThomasWaldmann> +        # Set Character set for the output of the item as set in the config. self.output_charset = config.charset # correct for wiki pages
2006-06-27T14:53:18  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, one \n got lost
2006-06-27T14:53:31  <Kepplar> O_o
2006-06-27T14:53:32  <Kepplar> ok
2006-06-27T14:53:34  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: the right change for that comment would have been to completely remove it
2006-06-27T14:53:59  <Kepplar> its not 100% obvious without knowing whats coming from where though :)
2006-06-27T14:54:54  <ThomasWaldmann> s/implimented/implemented/
2006-06-27T14:56:16  <ThomasWaldmann> s/appropriete/appropriate/
2006-06-27T15:00:05  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.6-storage-a?cs=685013b519c4 Kepplar, are you sure you didnt remove too much in this changeset? Or forgot to add something else?
2006-06-27T15:00:58  <Kepplar> hmm?
2006-06-27T15:01:05  <Kepplar> not that i know of
2006-06-27T15:01:09  <ThomasWaldmann> lots of deletion
2006-06-27T15:01:10  <Kepplar> that was removing the se diretory
2006-06-27T15:01:17  <Kepplar> as it was still in the online repo
2006-06-27T15:01:20  <Kepplar> even though i deleted it
2006-06-27T15:01:24  <ThomasWaldmann> and some file in storage/, too
2006-06-27T15:01:28  <Kepplar> O_o
2006-06-27T15:02:13  <Kepplar> ah
2006-06-27T15:02:14  <Kepplar> yes
2006-06-27T15:02:19  <Kepplar> that was before i disovered hg move
2006-06-27T15:02:20  <Kepplar> i think
2006-06-27T15:02:54  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe use hg status to check
2006-06-27T15:03:02  <Kepplar> ok
2006-06-27T15:03:06  <Kepplar> i think its all ok though
2006-06-27T15:03:08  <Kepplar> atm
2006-06-27T15:03:18  <Kepplar> (certainly is on my machine 8) )
2006-06-27T15:03:32  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2006-06-27T15:13:22  <ThomasWaldmann> lol
2006-06-27T15:13:32  <ThomasWaldmann> Removing fears
2006-06-27T15:13:33  <ThomasWaldmann> > ==============
2006-06-27T15:13:33  <ThomasWaldmann> >
2006-06-27T15:13:35  <ThomasWaldmann> > One trick I use occasionally, when trying to "lower in" a new developer,
2006-06-27T15:13:37  <ThomasWaldmann> > is to make deliberate mistakes that are fairly easily spotted. Someone
2006-06-27T15:13:40  <ThomasWaldmann> > in the community will then spot the mistakes and correct them.
2006-06-27T15:13:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (from the ML)
2006-06-27T15:14:07  <ThomasWaldmann> Followup to this: "Some of us do the same thing, minus the delibrate part.  ;-) "
2006-06-27T15:34:24  <Kepplar> lol
2006-06-27T21:12:36  <Kepplar> moinmoin
2006-06-27T21:20:21  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-06-27T21:21:03  <Kepplar> return
2006-06-27T21:21:06  <Kepplar> .
2006-06-27T21:21:09  <Kepplar> as in
2006-06-27T21:21:11  <Kepplar> just return
2006-06-27T21:21:16  <Kepplar> seems a bit weak
2006-06-27T21:21:29  <Kepplar> break or something like that seems most appopiete
2006-06-27T21:40:50  <ThomasWaldmann> if that was a question, maybe reformulate it
2006-06-27T21:48:20  <Kepplar> why would anyone use "return" - its a very weak expresssion
2006-06-27T21:53:14  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:I don't have meta on my wiki so the moin mig script does not work
2006-06-27T21:53:51  <ThomasWaldmann> then you didnt run the last "old style" mig script
2006-06-27T21:56:34  <dreimark> :-)
2006-06-27T21:58:22  <dreimark> moin mig script works Returned. New rev is 1050400.
2006-06-27T22:04:25  <ThomasWaldmann> did you run it from $PATH or did you have to call it differently?
2006-06-27T22:20:50  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:moin --config-dir=/usr/share/moin/mywiki --wiki-url=localhost/mywiki migration data
2006-06-27T22:20:57  <dreimark> I was in that directory
2006-06-27T22:21:16  <ThomasWaldmann> in what directory?
2006-06-27T22:21:19  <dreimark> but I tried again from another one and it tells migration complete
2006-06-27T22:21:25  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2006-06-27T22:21:35  <dreimark> dir /usr/share/moin/mywiki
2006-06-27T22:22:03  <dreimark> --wiki-url=mywiki  does work too
2006-06-27T22:23:50  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, noticed any issue when/after installing?
2006-06-27T22:43:15  <Kepplar> shit
2006-06-27T22:43:25  <Kepplar> wasted 4 hours on irc arguing
2006-06-27T22:43:42  <Kepplar> started with "belgium is to france what ireland is to the UK"
2006-06-27T22:43:59  <Kepplar> then went on to be a does israel have a right to exist
2006-06-27T22:44:05  <Kepplar> Iran's nukes
2006-06-27T22:44:11  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:I do have no problems
2006-06-27T22:44:14  <Kepplar> then genereral chemical weapon usage
2006-06-27T22:44:20  <Kepplar> then slagging of America
2006-06-27T22:44:24  <Kepplar> which we all agreed
2006-06-27T22:44:24  <Kepplar> ;)
2006-06-27T22:44:53  <xorAxAx> thats off-topic :)
2006-06-27T22:44:58  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: maybe first solve own problems :)
2006-06-27T22:45:09  <Kepplar> the uk?
2006-06-27T22:45:23  <ThomasWaldmann> no, storage refactoring :)
2006-06-27T22:45:27  <Kepplar> ah
2006-06-27T22:45:27  <Kepplar> yes
2006-06-27T22:45:33  <Kepplar> thats why i was saying oh shit int he first place:)
2006-06-27T23:18:44  <Kepplar> check ThomasWaldmann, wheres page moving located?
2006-06-27T23:18:46  <Kepplar> well
2006-06-27T23:18:48  <Kepplar> renaming
2006-06-27T23:18:53  <Kepplar> cant find anything
2006-06-27T23:18:57  <Kepplar> oh
2006-06-27T23:19:00  <Kepplar> maybe Page Editor
2006-06-27T23:19:01  <Kepplar> hmm
2006-06-27T23:19:04  <Kepplar> really dont like this OO
2006-06-27T23:28:02  <[1]Andrew> hi
2006-06-27T23:28:27  <[1]Andrew> anyone here?