2006-01-23T00:05:40 <xorAxAx> [PERIODIC ANNOUNCEMENT] Logs can be found on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev
2006-01-23T00:23:36 <ThomasWaldmann> http://refactor.wikiwikiweb.de/ is the test wiki
2006-01-23T07:18:51 <lydon> moin
2006-01-23T08:39:30 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-01-23T09:54:06 <ThomasWaldmann> # Change nesting: sub lists are no longer within the <li> tags
2006-01-23T09:54:25 <ThomasWaldmann> seems that one of our gui editor / converter problems is related to that
2006-01-23T10:04:02 <DasSheep> ?
2006-01-23T10:04:25 <DasSheep> it should be <ul><li>...<ul><li>...</li></ul></li></ul>
2006-01-23T10:04:37 <ThomasWaldmann> yes.
2006-01-23T10:04:58 <ThomasWaldmann> for some reason i dont remember we made it different for text_gedit formatter
2006-01-23T10:05:15 <ThomasWaldmann> (that feeds the gui editor with html)
2006-01-23T10:05:44 <ThomasWaldmann> so it was ul li /li ul li /li /ul /ul
2006-01-23T10:06:36 <DasSheep> that's not proper html :/
2006-01-23T10:06:41 <ThomasWaldmann> i just reverted that in the refactor branch
2006-01-23T10:07:13 <ThomasWaldmann> now trying to fix the converter to reverse convert correct html
2006-01-23T10:15:35 <DasSheep> only one thing worse than hacks -- undocumented hacks... ;)
2006-01-23T10:29:14 <xorAxAx> interestingly, that thomas doesnt keep closing gui editor bugs that are related to a broken gui formatter
2006-01-23T10:42:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2006-01-23T10:43:17 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i am talking about http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/GuiEditClickSourceClickPreviewBroken
2006-01-23T10:43:44 <xorAxAx> you deleted it in nov.
2006-01-23T10:44:15 <ThomasWaldmann> it was confusing
2006-01-23T11:20:21 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://refactor.wikiwikiweb.de/NestedLists try it
2006-01-23T11:21:04 <ThomasWaldmann> if it works too good, try it with IE :)
2006-01-23T11:31:42 <xorAxAx> works
2006-01-23T11:36:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, dl also seems to work
2006-01-23T12:16:23 <ThomasWaldmann> can there be dl dd without dt?
2006-01-23T12:32:28 <lydon> <!ELEMENT dl (dt|dd)+>
2006-01-23T12:38:37 <ThomasWaldmann> that means one can mix or omit dt and dd arbitrarily?
2006-01-23T12:50:02 <ThomasWaldmann> strange thing
2006-01-23T12:54:51 <DasSheep> isn't it just the limit of expressive power of dtds?
2006-01-23T13:04:04 <ThomasWaldmann> i dont know
2006-01-23T13:06:15 <ThomasWaldmann> the blockquote processing needs also more work
2006-01-23T13:06:34 <ThomasWaldmann> but it is a bit unclear how it should work at all
2006-01-23T13:06:47 <ThomasWaldmann> aaaa
2006-01-23T13:06:52 <ThomasWaldmann> bbbb
2006-01-23T13:07:30 <ThomasWaldmann> currently gets merged into a single paragraph in a ul with no marker
2006-01-23T13:07:49 <ThomasWaldmann> same as:
2006-01-23T13:07:53 <ThomasWaldmann> * aaaa
2006-01-23T13:07:56 <ThomasWaldmann> bbbb
2006-01-23T13:08:05 <ThomasWaldmann> or
2006-01-23T13:08:11 <ThomasWaldmann> 1. aaaa
2006-01-23T13:08:13 <ThomasWaldmann> bbbb
2006-01-23T13:09:18 <ThomasWaldmann> do we miss a blockquote markup or can this be solved otherwise?
2006-01-23T13:10:29 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2006-01-23T13:11:16 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: there are a few markup regression bugs filed against that
2006-01-23T13:24:37 <ThomasWaldmann> against what?
2006-01-23T13:27:07 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/BlockElementsInLists this?
2006-01-23T13:29:25 <ThomasWaldmann> the question there is how to do it better using some other markup
2006-01-23T13:29:34 <xorAxAx> yes
2006-01-23T13:29:46 <xorAxAx> it worked better in 1.2 using the same markup
2006-01-23T13:30:07 <ThomasWaldmann> then flow text over multiple lines was not possible
2006-01-23T13:30:32 <ThomasWaldmann> (like it is at top level of document, outside lists)
2006-01-23T13:31:43 <xorAxAx> on the top level, it was possible
2006-01-23T13:31:48 <ThomasWaldmann> in any case. it needs to get more concrete.
2006-01-23T13:31:51 <xorAxAx> www.abi2oo4.de is a 1.2.3 wiki
2006-01-23T13:31:57 <xorAxAx> or 1.2.4
2006-01-23T13:32:02 <ThomasWaldmann> bug reports that require guessing are no good.
2006-01-23T13:44:26 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, gleich eingerückte aufeinanderfolgende zeilen ergeben einen fliesstextparagraphen
2006-01-23T13:46:05 <ThomasWaldmann> der unterschied ist wohl der, dass ne liste nicht bei ner leerzeile beendet wird
2006-01-23T13:48:43 <ThomasWaldmann> http://refactor.wikiwikiweb.de/TestingMoreRegression
2006-01-23T13:48:52 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.abi2oo4.de/moin.cgi/WikiSandkasten2
2006-01-23T13:49:04 <ThomasWaldmann> sieht doch ziemlich ähnlich aus
2006-01-23T13:54:28 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, bei nummerierten listen sieht man's.
2006-01-23T13:55:01 <ThomasWaldmann> 1.2 ist eher geneigt, ne liste fortzusetzen (auch wenn man es nicht will und der falsche typ rauskommt, bug)
2006-01-23T13:55:22 <ThomasWaldmann> 1.5r ist eher geneigt, nach leerzeilen ne neue liste anzufangen.
2006-01-23T13:56:57 <ThomasWaldmann> das kriterium fuer 1.2 ist wohl indenting-wechsel. leerzeilen ignoriert es dabei voellig.
2006-01-23T14:16:37 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: feel free to implement your xpath testing as mentioned on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinQuestions/Errors
2006-01-23T14:17:32 <ThomasWaldmann> but understand i don't share your optimism about firing up xml based stuff on our not-quite-valid html 4.01
2006-01-23T14:17:55 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: then the tests fail and show a problem :-)
2006-01-23T14:18:01 <ThomasWaldmann> (and the short answer could have just been "those tests suck")
2006-01-23T14:18:18 <xorAxAx> yeah
2006-01-23T14:18:31 <ThomasWaldmann> i dont need a test to know that we dont have valid xml
2006-01-23T14:20:41 <ThomasWaldmann> and btw, the refactor branch now fails to validate as html401 because of xml:lang attr
2006-01-23T14:22:58 <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2006-01-23T14:27:14 <xorAxAx> hmm
2006-01-23T15:18:36 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: about that blockquote
2006-01-23T15:18:59 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: how about looking back at the last block-level element
2006-01-23T15:19:34 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: and mergin the paragraph with <li> if it's a list, or starting blockquote otherwise
2006-01-23T15:54:14 <ThomasWaldmann> how can we start a blockquote when we have no markup for it?
2006-01-23T15:57:07 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean no markup?
2006-01-23T16:31:28 <ThomasWaldmann> we dont have markup producing a <blockquote> iirc
2006-01-23T16:31:37 <ThomasWaldmann> (wiki markup)
2006-01-23T16:35:54 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: what about indenting the paragraphs?
2006-01-23T16:36:17 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's a bulletless list right now, but blockquote would be more apropriate?
2006-01-23T16:38:12 <ThomasWaldmann> fckeditor generates blockquote with some button, we try to make a bulletless list out of it with the converter
2006-01-23T16:39:31 <DasSheep> but why bulletless lists? Oo)
2006-01-23T16:40:43 <ThomasWaldmann> i dont know :)
2006-01-23T16:41:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe because it ever was like that in moin :)
2006-01-23T16:42:05 <DasSheep> imho this thing should be separated, making either a blockquote or <li> with multiple <p>, depending on context
2006-01-23T17:34:30 <xorAxAx> europython time table:
2006-01-23T17:34:32 <xorAxAx> 17:33:31 < hpk> 31st February Call for Proposals
2006-01-23T17:34:32 <xorAxAx> 17:33:31 < hpk> 31st March Deadline for proposals
2006-01-23T17:34:32 <xorAxAx> 17:33:31 < hpk> 30th April Prelininary Program with accepted talks
2006-01-23T17:34:32 <xorAxAx> 17:33:31 < hpk> 19th May Closing Early Bird registration
2006-01-23T17:35:45 <DasSheep> xorAxAx: is it the right channel? ;)
2006-01-23T17:36:06 <xorAxAx> DasSheep: yes
2006-01-23T17:36:20 <xorAxAx> DasSheep: we plan to have the next MMIC sync'ed with europython
2006-01-23T18:10:49 * ThomasWaldmann updated the wiki page
2006-01-23T19:19:04 <DasSheep> about the line-number spans
2006-01-23T19:19:23 <DasSheep> how about making them position:absolute ?
2006-01-23T19:20:05 <DasSheep> that'd remove them from the page flow and hopefully make them unable to affect its rendering?
2006-01-23T19:31:48 <ThomasWaldmann> and you think the browser will still jump to the logical (not the rendering) position?
2006-01-23T19:38:40 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it will jump to the rendering position, of course, but if you don't specify any top/left/right/bottom coordinates, it defaults to the logical position
2006-01-23T19:39:55 <ThomasWaldmann> and what's the difference then?
2006-01-23T19:41:57 <DasSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it doesn't affect other elements -- it's rendered "on top" of them
2006-01-23T19:42:16 <DasSheep> i.e. it doesn't push them, doesn't occupy the space
2006-01-23T19:42:35 <DasSheep> the block elements won't force a linebreak
2006-01-23T19:45:51 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just add that to the bug page
2006-01-23T19:46:22 <DasSheep> ... come to think of it, the display:none should have the same effect already :/
2006-01-23T19:46:36 <DasSheep> sorry, just a random idea, not really good.
2006-01-23T19:54:00 <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2006-01-23T20:27:08 <ThomasWaldmann> re
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