MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2005-12-18

2005-12-18T00:05:19  <xorAxAx> [PERIODIC ANNOUNCEMENT] Logs can be found on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev
2005-12-18T04:56:57  *** starshine_away is now known as starshine
2005-12-18T11:55:37  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2005-12-18T12:08:44  <xorAxAx> moin :)
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2005-12-18T19:47:48  <ThomasWaldmann> http://arch.thinkmo.de/moin-1.5.0rc1-pre.tar.gz
2005-12-18T19:48:04  <ThomasWaldmann> (or tla update)
2005-12-18T20:00:00  <Fabi> how much RC is this?
2005-12-18T20:00:11  * Fabi wanted to fix some more bugs
2005-12-18T20:03:10  <ThomasWaldmann> rc1 will be released today, as announced
2005-12-18T20:03:30  <ThomasWaldmann> feel free to fix more bugs
2005-12-18T20:03:47  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe concentrate on the important stuff
2005-12-18T20:05:02  <Fabi> I found some easy ones in the bug lists
2005-12-18T20:05:07  <Fabi> will do them first
2005-12-18T20:06:57  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2005-12-18T20:07:42  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: are there twikidraw bugs on your list?
2005-12-18T20:08:59  <Fabi> ehhm, no
2005-12-18T20:11:44  <ThomasWaldmann> good, as i sent rc1-pre to petric frank to have a look at that
2005-12-18T20:12:08  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. that debian build-from-source problem
2005-12-18T20:13:09  <xorAxAx> who is "petric frank"? :-)
2005-12-18T20:14:06  <ThomasWaldmann> a friend and lulug.de member with java experience
2005-12-18T20:17:23  <Fabi> *ARG*
2005-12-18T20:17:40  <xorAxAx> ok
2005-12-18T20:17:44  <Fabi> firefox eats spaces
2005-12-18T20:23:24  <Fabi> what about the source button in GUI edit?
2005-12-18T20:23:33  <Fabi> when is it planned to get removed?
2005-12-18T20:27:16  <xorAxAx> the gui button in text mode needs the javascript hooks as well
2005-12-18T20:27:22  <xorAxAx> Fabi: why?
2005-12-18T20:27:41  <xorAxAx> Fabi: we could disable it for browsers where it doesnt create a new window
2005-12-18T20:27:49  <xorAxAx> Fabi: but it revealed a bug
2005-12-18T20:28:02  <Fabi> because it breaks
2005-12-18T20:28:06  <xorAxAx> i.e. if moin crashes after edit, source, submit, then its a moin bug
2005-12-18T20:28:13  <xorAxAx> i explained that on a wiki page
2005-12-18T20:28:24  <xorAxAx> because the browser repairs the dom in that case
2005-12-18T20:29:24  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: will be removed on release
2005-12-18T20:30:00  <xorAxAx> so removing it is just a way to hide bugs, not avoid them :)
2005-12-18T20:30:27  <ThomasWaldmann> it will be removed so that users cant fuckup the html directly
2005-12-18T20:30:29  <xorAxAx> but i guess the remaining guys in this chan are ignorant about his again
2005-12-18T20:30:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yeah
2005-12-18T20:30:51  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: alternatively, we could make the input r/o
2005-12-18T20:31:01  <xorAxAx> s/t h/t th/
2005-12-18T20:31:55  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: why does patch-334 fix the html backup issue?
2005-12-18T20:36:44  <Fabi> sorted the cancle handling past the html->markup converter
2005-12-18T20:37:11  <Fabi> what are <span> tags good for?
2005-12-18T20:37:56  <ThomasWaldmann> like a div makes some block element, a span makes an inline element
2005-12-18T20:42:54  <ThomasWaldmann> why is cancel handling relevant?
2005-12-18T20:48:28  <xorAxAx> hmm, the backup is done in preview cases as well, right?
2005-12-18T20:49:57  <Fabi> yes, IIRC
2005-12-18T20:50:47  <xorAxAx> and previewing is unrelated to cancel :)
2005-12-18T20:55:44  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: strange enough it IS fixed on mm site running that code.
2005-12-18T20:56:05  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: even if you dont press cancel?
2005-12-18T20:56:23  <xorAxAx> edit, preview, close window, look at backup
2005-12-18T20:56:26  <ThomasWaldmann> just click preview and look at the backup then, leaving the editor open
2005-12-18T20:56:32  <xorAxAx> hmm
2005-12-18T20:57:02  <ThomasWaldmann> but I think Fabi should add a comment in the src WHY it has to be like it is now
2005-12-18T21:07:13  <starshine> I concur, otherwise someone later may change it back not understanding
2005-12-18T21:39:18  <starshine> .o( rc2 very soon with fixed Diff icon ?
2005-12-18T21:41:56  <ThomasWaldmann> there isnt even an rc1 yet
2005-12-18T21:42:09  <ThomasWaldmann> and it is not clear whether this is a bug
2005-12-18T21:47:08  <starshine> I'll check it and the other "new document" bug on mm. one moment
2005-12-18T22:07:45  <starshine> bug confirmed
2005-12-18T22:08:39  <starshine> if it only affected first creation it wouldn't be one, but, I made a second edit to HeatherStern/BrowserCollection on moin mainsite, and although the comment knows there are versions 1-2 by me there's no diff icon to compare them
2005-12-18T22:08:50  <starshine> it might appear if someone besides me edits that page
2005-12-18T22:09:35  <starshine> however we can often expect people to have notes to themself on their own user page that others don't edit but could be curious about revisions.
2005-12-18T22:10:47  <ThomasWaldmann> i think it is if all edits in history are on the same day
2005-12-18T22:11:13  <starshine> big window :/
2005-12-18T22:11:39  * Fabi changes some vital and highly security critical parts
2005-12-18T22:15:32  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(OO)
2005-12-18T22:18:20  <Fabi> text_python formatter
2005-12-18T22:18:36  <Fabi> still used source += one more line
2005-12-18T22:18:57  <Fabi> rewrote to result.append()
2005-12-18T22:28:41  <Fabi> may be someone should review the patch 337
2005-12-18T22:37:19  <xorAxAx> maybe remove a few parenthesis to increase the speed
2005-12-18T22:41:12  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: please update CHANGES when you fix stuff
2005-12-18T22:44:44  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: mm site now runs 337
2005-12-18T22:53:19  <Fabi> oki
2005-12-18T22:53:41  <Fabi> hope the MM dir got touched
2005-12-18T22:55:15  *** starshine is now known as starshine_away
2005-12-18T22:55:29  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: yes
2005-12-18T23:12:54  <xorAxAx> good night. i will be back after christmas
2005-12-18T23:14:22  <Fabi> have a nice time
2005-12-18T23:14:31  <Fabi> happy new year
2005-12-18T23:16:46  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: merry xmas
2005-12-18T23:17:12  * ThomasWaldmann will be away some days between xmas and silvester
2005-12-18T23:17:39  <ThomasWaldmann> but chances are there that there is WLAN
2005-12-18T23:17:49  * Fabi also will be (more or less) offline between xmas and new year
2005-12-18T23:18:15  <Fabi> so MoinMoin development is officially closed
2005-12-18T23:18:51  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: congress in berlin?
2005-12-18T23:18:57  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2005-12-18T23:19:20  <ThomasWaldmann> that reminds me to book some bed there....
2005-12-18T23:20:13  <xorAxAx> i think i wont go, though i thought about it
2005-12-18T23:20:18  <xorAxAx> no good connectivity to berlin
2005-12-18T23:20:48  <ThomasWaldmann> ic(e)?
2005-12-18T23:36:18  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: too expensive
2005-12-18T23:38:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i currently check the prices
2005-12-18T23:39:18  <ThomasWaldmann> but it seems to cost more than to sharm X)
2005-12-18T23:42:47  <ThomasWaldmann> gruppe&spar60 -> 60% cheaper (ab 6 pers.)