MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2005-12-05

2005-12-05T06:07:02  *** starshine_away is now known as starshine
2005-12-05T07:45:03  <lydon> moin
2005-12-05T08:34:52  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2005-12-05T08:35:57  <starshine> moin..
2005-12-05T08:42:43  <starshine> <h1 id="head-0059f045f29ac7b8cbafacfc502152445f04db9a">First time</h2>
2005-12-05T08:42:47  <starshine> ^ eep!
2005-12-05T08:43:38  <ThomasWaldmann> i also have seen that sometimes
2005-12-05T08:43:59  <ThomasWaldmann> but I couldnt find the code for it, at least not the wrong code
2005-12-05T08:44:29  <ThomasWaldmann> how can you reproduce?
2005-12-05T08:44:54  <starshine> I just went to userpreferences. Note: I am not yet logged in.
2005-12-05T08:45:27  <starshine> raw text of it does not seem to be bad markup.  got to be in the formatter then ?
2005-12-05T08:46:13  <starshine> have you seen that anywhere else? this is a page where part is generated and part isn't.
2005-12-05T08:47:05  <ThomasWaldmann> <h1 id="head-696ed19d3a3926c49e93b692aa6f50d2a65dc0fe">Logging out</h1>
2005-12-05T08:47:33  <ThomasWaldmann> <h1 id="head-0059f045f29ac7b8cbafacfc502152445f04db9a">First time</h1>
2005-12-05T08:49:36  <ThomasWaldmann> i cant reproduce it on UserPreferences. Being logged out. Tried deleting cache. First view, second view...
2005-12-05T08:54:01  <starshine> I see also a <p> </p> with nothing in it but html-wise that's harmless, merely a waste
2005-12-05T08:54:34  <ThomasWaldmann> yes. i tried to find that h1 /h2 once, but did not.
2005-12-05T08:54:49  <ThomasWaldmann> and now, I cant even reproduce it
2005-12-05T08:55:41  <starshine> should I save the source view while I have it up?
2005-12-05T08:56:30  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, please
2005-12-05T08:56:40  <starshine> saved
2005-12-05T08:56:51  <ThomasWaldmann> and url and other state info
2005-12-05T08:57:23  <ThomasWaldmann> can you reproduce?
2005-12-05T08:57:54  <Fabi> this h1 /h2 thing is caused by old cache files
2005-12-05T08:58:36  <Fabi> as the cache should check the date of the moin installation this should normally not hapen
2005-12-05T08:59:30  <starshine> http://starshine.org/star/UserPreferences.safari-busted-fonts.html
2005-12-05T09:00:34  <starshine> I don't see anything I fail to recognize in the raw text of it
2005-12-05T09:02:26  <ThomasWaldmann> starshine: can you still reproduce the bug? i delete cache (from the menu).
2005-12-05T09:03:20  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: i think i have removed all cache files a while ago
2005-12-05T09:04:06  <ThomasWaldmann> but i also have seen strange double interwiki icons again and again
2005-12-05T09:04:20  <starshine> I have hit reload and it's fixed.
2005-12-05T09:04:47  <starshine> but if there is something creating corrupt forms of cache, I wouldn't know what that is..
2005-12-05T09:07:36  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges (double interwiki icon at bottom)
2005-12-05T09:08:35  <ThomasWaldmann> -rw-rw----  1 wikiwikiweb_de wikiwikiweb_de 2160 Dec  4 23:28 text_html
2005-12-05T09:11:06  <Fabi> hmm
2005-12-05T09:13:41  <ThomasWaldmann> i think i found the cause of all this
2005-12-05T09:14:02  * starshine perks
2005-12-05T09:14:11  <ThomasWaldmann> i forgot to remove moinmaster/moinmoin/fckeditor wiki from 1.3 farmconfig
2005-12-05T09:14:22  <xorAxAx> !?!
2005-12-05T09:14:36  <xorAxAx> and that does that?
2005-12-05T09:14:43  <xorAxAx> muhahaha
2005-12-05T09:14:44  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe there are some lazy DNS out there still resolving that IP for moinmaster
2005-12-05T09:15:02  <ThomasWaldmann> so the 1.3 engine gets it and spoils the cache
2005-12-05T09:15:06  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: check with log files please
2005-12-05T09:15:34  <starshine> a ha
2005-12-05T09:16:30  <starshine> .o( and I just rebooted my nameserver today..
2005-12-05T09:17:21  <xorAxAx> you mean your forwarder, right?
2005-12-05T09:17:36  <starshine> no, I mean my domain's main nameserver
2005-12-05T09:18:12  <ThomasWaldmann> hard to check as the requested url isnt logged, only the path
2005-12-05T09:18:14  <starshine> it also happens to resolve for most of the boxes inside my domain, the forarder entries point to our ISP's bigger NS.
2005-12-05T09:18:19  <xorAxAx> starshine: then its not related :)
2005-12-05T09:18:25  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: oh
2005-12-05T09:18:29  <starshine> xorAxAx: good :)
2005-12-05T09:23:24  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, ran cachecleaner for those 3 sites
2005-12-05T09:24:07  * starshine hits refresh just to be sure it's still good
2005-12-05T09:28:04  <ThomasWaldmann> fsck, i still see double icons on http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/Aktuelle%C3%84nderungen
2005-12-05T09:29:59  <starshine> double icon for interwiki only, at the bottom (yes, I see it too)
2005-12-05T09:31:24  <ThomasWaldmann> one is from css (1.5 style doing this), one from img (1.3 style doing this)
2005-12-05T09:32:15  <starshine> so is there a 1.3 theme .py file telling it to do that??
2005-12-05T09:32:45  <starshine> delete cache got rid of it btw
2005-12-05T09:32:55  <starshine> maybe your cache scrubber needs work
2005-12-05T09:32:55  <ThomasWaldmann> no, the formatter does that
2005-12-05T09:33:15  <ThomasWaldmann> i checked it in file system and there was no text_html
2005-12-05T09:33:42  <ThomasWaldmann> so it will reappear :)
2005-12-05T09:34:29  <starshine> what else does "delete cache" do besides delete that file?
2005-12-05T09:34:45  <ThomasWaldmann> nothing iirc
2005-12-05T09:35:20  <starshine> that's the foreign form of RecentChanges, would my previous visit to RC in english have left something cruddy to see?
2005-12-05T09:35:51  <starshine> ...well if it did nothing, and that file was already absent, it's a pretty impressive nothing.
2005-12-05T09:39:17  <ThomasWaldmann> RecentChanges is independant of AktuelleÄnderungen
2005-12-05T09:40:07  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe i add some host:port / ip comment to the html later, that'll make it easier to debug
2005-12-05T09:46:01  <starshine> my main concern is, you just ran something that scrubbed the cache, but I was given a mixed copy anyway
2005-12-05T09:46:18  <starshine> how'd that even manage to happen...
2005-12-05T09:47:18  <ThomasWaldmann> either we have some cache in between on the internet, or something on our machine just recreated the text_html short before
2005-12-05T09:48:33  <starshine> intervening help (side effect from: we're kinder to caches now) or race condition (took long enough to scrub, it was regen'd by someone)
2005-12-05T09:48:52  <starshine> hmm, maybe
2005-12-05T10:05:08  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we still need a header-on-baseline solution
2005-12-05T10:08:09  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/InterwikiAndPageNameNotOnSameBaseline
2005-12-05T10:30:49  <xorAxAx> "we still need a fix for the bug i put in there" ;-)
2005-12-05T10:40:16  <starshine> he's right though.. it is a bit whacky lookin'
2005-12-05T10:41:00  <xorAxAx> yeah, i remarked that :)
2005-12-05T10:42:34  <starshine> problem is, if you force an absolute from top you lose wrapping around the logo, whose size is (probably) unknown
2005-12-05T10:43:22  <starshine> so that's not a clean method to get it, and another is, it's hard to ask a browser if the user is using zoom textsizes
2005-12-05T10:45:54  <starshine> (fullwikipath)(interwikiname)MoinMoin:(/iwn)(pagepath)Bugs(/pp)/(pagepath)notonsamebaseline(/pp)
2005-12-05T10:46:04  <starshine> (/fullwikipath)
2005-12-05T10:46:36  <starshine> where iwn might potentially be relocated to elsewhere, but often isn't.
2005-12-05T10:47:15  * starshine ellides div, id, class, for we can make those match the cascade rules we want later
2005-12-05T11:09:07  *** starshine is now known as starshine_away
2005-12-05T16:09:37  <ThomasWaldmann> http://helios.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/cgi-bin/sheep/view.cgi?quote_markup
2005-12-05T16:09:51  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe this would be nice to have
2005-12-05T16:10:34  <xorAxAx> hmm
2005-12-05T16:10:46  <xorAxAx> only for text that comes from external sites
2005-12-05T16:11:03  <xorAxAx> and then its still troublesome to insert >
2005-12-05T16:11:06  <ThomasWaldmann> or from email
2005-12-05T16:11:22  <xorAxAx> much easier to have {{{#!quotation
2005-12-05T16:11:29  <xorAxAx> or >>>, <<<
2005-12-05T16:13:46  *** lydon has quit IRC
2005-12-05T16:16:50  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, right. more modular, a bit more markup
2005-12-05T18:53:47  * xorAxAx saw a bug: gui editor generates absolute urls instead of wiki links sometimes
2005-12-05T18:53:51  <xorAxAx> seen on MoinMoinPatch
2005-12-05T19:19:45  *** starshine_away is now known as starshine
2005-12-05T20:23:11  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: but somebody broke tla again (this time i cannot recall that i did it)
2005-12-05T20:23:15  <xorAxAx>  arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (404 Not Found) tree: /home/aschremmer/moin--main--1.5 revision: arch@arch.thinkmo.de--2003-archives/moin--main--1.5--patch-297
2005-12-05T20:27:44  <ThomasWaldmann> retry
2005-12-05T20:28:15  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ok, works
2005-12-05T20:28:28  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: maybe setup a line in cron to workaround this
2005-12-05T20:28:34  <xorAxAx> or fiddle with the sticky bits
2005-12-05T20:28:53  <ThomasWaldmann> that doesnt help
2005-12-05T20:29:30  <xorAxAx> whats the problem?
2005-12-05T20:29:52  <ThomasWaldmann> some{one,thing] fscked up the acls
2005-12-05T20:30:28  <xorAxAx> and whats the status of the repair acl ticket? :-)
2005-12-05T20:31:11  <ThomasWaldmann> where did you buy that ticket?
2005-12-05T20:31:59  <xorAxAx> i am talking about your virtual admin2admin communication system ;-)
2005-12-05T21:18:03  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, acls hopefully fixed
2005-12-05T21:45:50  *** starshine is now known as starshine_away