MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2005-11-17

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2005-11-17T09:17:45  <xorAxAx> moinBot: test
2005-11-17T09:17:45  <moinBot> xorAxAx: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
2005-11-17T09:17:54  <xorAxAx> nice, it doesnt mind splits
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2005-11-17T09:48:15  <lydon> well...
2005-11-17T09:49:21  * starshine waves hi
2005-11-17T09:50:28  <xorAxAx> lydon: now you are here but not there? %-)
2005-11-17T09:50:40  <lydon> moin-build-index is running awfully long....
2005-11-17T09:50:41  <starshine> formatter has no attribute "strike" you say?
2005-11-17T09:50:46  <lydon> yep. I think one channel is enough
2005-11-17T09:51:05  <lydon> text_html has, but build-index uses text_plain which has not, nor base has
2005-11-17T09:51:20  <xorAxAx> i think Fabi forgot those again
2005-11-17T09:51:21  <lydon> there should be a noop strike in base
2005-11-17T09:51:24  <lydon> yep
2005-11-17T09:51:49  <lydon> the theme attribute error comes for pages with attachfile macros on them I think
2005-11-17T09:53:02  <lydon> which leads to the conclusion that the text_plain formatter is not well tested :) (but hey, it never really was)
2005-11-17T09:53:29  * xorAxAx regularly uses it
2005-11-17T09:53:39  <xorAxAx> in order to check the rst parser
2005-11-17T09:54:21  <lydon> I think my docs wiki with thousends of pages is sort of a stress test...
2005-11-17T09:54:56  <lydon> have to change moin-build-index to see where it happens, cause it only throws out tracebacks and continues without telling in which page the error happened
2005-11-17T09:55:11  <lydon> is moin-build-index intended to be run from the cli?
2005-11-17T09:55:48  <xorAxAx> yes
2005-11-17T09:55:58  <xorAxAx> but lupy is considered unstable
2005-11-17T09:56:02  <lydon> strace tells me that it is currently in underlay
2005-11-17T09:56:12  <xorAxAx> so you dont want it in production wikis :)
2005-11-17T09:56:28  <lydon> certainly I want an indexed search in a production wiki :)
2005-11-17T09:56:41  <xorAxAx> but its heavily buggy ...
2005-11-17T09:56:51  <lydon> tanks for the hint
2005-11-17T09:56:55  <lydon> +h
2005-11-17T09:57:00  <starshine> the more production the more useful any search improvement would be... as long as it doesn't crash the wiki.
2005-11-17T09:57:07  <xorAxAx> the biggest problem is that some bugs are not easy to trackdown
2005-11-17T09:57:25  <starshine> vicious circle
2005-11-17T09:57:36  <lydon> my boss gets pissed off by the poor search performance everytime he must use moin, so I guess its time I invest time into indexed search again...
2005-11-17T09:57:51  <starshine> if you won't use it in stress, then there's no suitably destructive test to find the sneakier bugs.
2005-11-17T09:58:00  <lydon> but it won't be lupy, as most of you might guess...
2005-11-17T09:58:43  <lydon> it takes really, really long. I wonder if this is the Formatter or if it is lupy indexing
2005-11-17T10:01:40  <xorAxAx> Fabi has stats about it
2005-11-17T10:01:59  <xorAxAx> lydon: you can drop in pylucene and it should be sped up by several magnitudes
2005-11-17T10:02:04  <xorAxAx> lydon: there is a patch on the wiki
2005-11-17T10:02:04  <starshine> .o( probably indexing
2005-11-17T10:02:08  <lydon> the box I'm running this on is not really the fastest
2005-11-17T10:03:37  <starshine> nn
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2005-11-17T10:05:11  <lydon> ahh!
2005-11-17T10:05:12  <lydon> [Thu Nov 17 10:03:03 2005] indexing completed successfully in 2087.14 seconds.
2005-11-17T10:05:51  <xorAxAx> lydon: so try pylucene, there are already companies using it
2005-11-17T10:06:25  <lydon> about one second per page that is
2005-11-17T10:08:16  <xorAxAx> lydon: is a full text_html cache run by clicking the title faster?
2005-11-17T10:08:22  <xorAxAx> you can easily compare them
2005-11-17T10:08:49  <xorAxAx> .oO(ok, it renders the pages but doesnt cache them anymore. but nir just gained 15% by that)
2005-11-17T10:28:40  <lydon> faster than what? clicking title of front page takes 5.5 secs to get to the page link page
2005-11-17T10:28:52  <lydon> ähm. titlesearch page
2005-11-17T10:28:57  <xorAxAx> lydon: then clear the cache files and try again
2005-11-17T10:29:45  <lydon> oh, clear cache is greyed out. mom
2005-11-17T10:30:20  <xorAxAx> umm, for all pages
2005-11-17T10:30:23  <xorAxAx> rm -rf
2005-11-17T10:30:25  <lydon> ah, ok
2005-11-17T10:30:42  <lydon> and you want me to compare lupy vs non lupy?
2005-11-17T10:30:43  <xorAxAx> because linkto: checks the pagelinks for all pages
2005-11-17T10:30:46  <xorAxAx> no
2005-11-17T10:30:57  <xorAxAx> just the page rendering speed vs. the indexing speed
2005-11-17T10:31:06  <xorAxAx> and checking pagelinks involves rendering
2005-11-17T10:31:12  <xorAxAx> into the pagelinks formatter
2005-11-17T10:31:26  <xorAxAx> which is 15% faster than the text_python/text_html combo
2005-11-17T10:31:47  <lydon> 5.443
2005-11-17T10:32:32  <lydon> hmmm
2005-11-17T10:32:41  <lydon> I get no other time, mysterious...
2005-11-17T10:35:56  <xorAxAx> rendering all your pages just needs 5 seconds?
2005-11-17T10:35:59  <xorAxAx> i dont believe that :)
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2005-11-17T16:58:46  <xorAxAx> Fabi, ThomasWaldmann: how did you create accounts in your .lu app?
2005-11-17T16:59:03  <xorAxAx> via a script or with the patch from the wiki? %-)
2005-11-17T17:58:03  <Fabi> patch
2005-11-17T17:58:50  <xorAxAx> :-))
2005-11-17T17:59:05  <Fabi> or something similar
2005-11-17T17:59:09  <xorAxAx> and why isnt it in main though it works for .lu?
2005-11-17T17:59:47  <Fabi> IIRC the account creation is done in the auth module
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2005-11-17T18:03:04  <xorAxAx> ah
2005-11-17T18:03:16  <xorAxAx> ok, then its obvious
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2005-11-17T20:25:24  * xorAxAx will blatantly forward the 1.5 release announcement to heise
2005-11-17T20:25:33  <xorAxAx> maybe we will get into the ticker :)
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2005-11-17T21:54:40  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2005-11-17T21:56:07  <xorAxAx> moin ThomasWaldmann
2005-11-17T22:11:40  <ThomasWaldmann> what release announcement?
2005-11-17T22:22:19  <xorAxAx> the 1.5 one (when its out)
2005-11-17T22:22:40  <xorAxAx> you know, planning :)
2005-11-17T22:32:20  <ThomasWaldmann> ah
2005-11-17T22:43:31  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you please add proper acl lines? we had 2 system page edits on moinmoin today
2005-11-17T22:43:56  <xorAxAx> .oO(underlay design sucks camels through eyes of a needle)
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2005-11-17T23:30:03  <starshine> typo found in moinbeta CHANGES file
2005-11-17T23:30:35  <starshine> under International Support: the example given, has no closing > on the fake email address.
2005-11-17T23:40:38  <xorAxAx> starshine: i cannot find any. maybe because i just committed :)
2005-11-17T23:41:06  <starshine> all fixi'd then? :)
2005-11-17T23:43:07  <xorAxAx> all? i just added one char :)
2005-11-17T23:48:47  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: should we link the bounties page on the main page?